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Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:57 am
by 164EVER
Sad story about you gearbox, wixh you luck to solve your problem, your car is very beautyful.
And the engine, WOW :mrgreen:
I knew a friend he had the same problem with his DELTA 4WD, from 4rth gear at 6000rpm he cranked 3rd, then engine exploded..................... :cry: :oops:

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:31 am
by HaydnW92
Alfan wrote:Not good, but it seems that the locking mechanism does not work properly, since you could do this in the first place.

I would look at that, before doing anything else. Otherwise, you could buy the new gearbox found on ebay for 1700 euro....

You're quite right Alfan - I took the Q4 to a specialist mechanic last week who said he was sure it was the bushes in the gear linkage that were to blame. As soon as I told him the car had a Getrag gearbox he said he knew it wouldn't be the gearbox itself that was causing the problem as they're apparently very well made and very tough.
Reverse isn't working at the moment, and 5th has never worked since I have owned the car; the mechanic had all 6 gears working, plus reverse. So it can't be the gearbox!

New gear linkage bushings are on their way. Fingers crossed! :)

Ladin164QV wrote:Wow, amazing story and amazing car! Iam sorry about the gearbox, never heard about this reverse issue on Getrag...

There is auction from 0,-, but whats the reserve... :roll:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Gang-Getrie ... 0209411825


Hi there, thanks for the compliment!
That's interesting - the seller of those gearboxes has had them for a long time, he's been asking 1800 euros I think. I guess nobody has bought one at that price. I'll keep an eye on that auction anyway, thanks for posting it :)


164EVER wrote:Sad story about you gearbox, wixh you luck to solve your problem, your car is very beautyful.
And the engine, WOW :mrgreen:
I knew a friend he had the same problem with his DELTA 4WD, from 4rth gear at 6000rpm he cranked 3rd, then engine exploded..................... :cry: :oops:

Thanks very much! Although the second part of your comment is a bit worrying to read :lol:

Hopefully my new rubber bushings will fix the problem, I'm replacing 4, three of which are apparently very worn.



More exciting news by the way guys - today I will pick the Q4 up from a local stainless exhaust manufacturing specialist. I made the booking two months ago (he works alone and has a long waiting list) so I really can't wait to hear it. He's sent me a list of the work he's done so far - the design has changed slightly from standard and he's experimented a bit. I'll post a video at some point. I can't wait!

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:37 am
by alfa east
Great reading and glad to hear the gearbox is not a major failure (which by the way, I have never read in my 10 years of coming to the 164 websites; the remaining new Getrag gearboxes on Ebay seem to remain unsold for that reason?).

And now the exhaust; yes please, video/sound!

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:32 pm
by HaydnW92
Hi guys,

Unfortunately the bushes didn't solve the problem. The problem has actually got worse now, to the point where the car is permanently stuck in reverse gear. So I'm going to start removing the gearbox this weekend so I can let a specialist mechanic take a look at it. Hopefully it can be fixed, but we will see. I'll fit a replacement clutch while I do this work too.

I'm also wondering what people think my Q4 is worth, realistically? The basic details are as follows:

1994 164 3.5 24V Q4
Proteo red
c.125k kms (need to check this)
Black Recaro optional seats in great condition with heated rears (not wired in yet)
Zender Milano 17" alloy wheels with brand new Toyo Proxes tyres (might keep these)
Full stainless handbuilt sports exhaust recently installed from the base of the manifolds back - cost £1000
Lowering springs all round - new shock dust boots and bump stops at the rear
Zender rear wing with third brake light (not fitted yet)
Zender chromed sill protectors
Upgraded brake discs, pads and flexible hoses
Will soon have new clutch and either a repaired gearbox, or a good used gearbox fitted

...etc etc.

Thoughts?

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:17 am
by alfa east
You mean seriously considering selling? Difficult to reply that question; good 164s are harder to come by but the demand remains limited to a relatively small group of enthusiasts. Certainly good ones are not changing hands for peanuts anymore but even pristine, low-mileage, 1-owner Q4s hardly exceed EUR 20k (I recall the one auctioned off in Paris in 2014 (Artcurial: it reached 19,759 PND).

How the market views the "Savali"-version? I would consider that an advantage but other people may think that it takes away from the originality. OK, all that doesn't help you with getting to a figure but let me throw in a wide range guesstimate: anywhere between PND 5,000-10,000. I may be off the mark with that as I'm sitting here in Asia but just based on classifieds I read on the web and fora.

But..., are you really contemplating this, now you're almost ready getting it perfect? I read again and again of (ex)164-owners who regret selling theirs and want to come back into 164-ownership and are disappointed that they can not find a good one anymore for a reasonable price.

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:22 pm
by MikeCZ
Haydn, don't even think about it! Even though you still have some minor stuff to fix you will never get the money the car is worth... not only considering market (mechanical) value, but also "emotional"...
You will regret it, you will see - I believe Ladin can give personal experience about this :)

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:46 pm
by AlfaWhiz
I can tell you Haydn it's worth about 10 quid and in such case I can offer you my generous support and will buy gladly sight unseen. :mrgreen:

I do envy you your Savali engine. It's the ultimate rare option of all options from the period. Current amount of cars with said engine on sale is zero and out of just over a thousand Q4s produced you can imagine how rare the Savali ones are.

Keep it, love it and hate it.

Re: Alfa 164 Q4 3.5 'Savali' progress thread

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:29 pm
by Alfan
I consider it to be 'priceless' :D You have something unique, so estimating that is impossible...

Shame about the gearbox, I hope you find a good and not too expensive solution!