Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

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Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by Alfamuppet » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:01 am

Hi all

I need some urgent help finding the auxiliary belt tensioner damper for my Q4

The original one has come apart, ( will try to fix, but it looks like it is missing a small metal ring for the piston part)

I have tried many websites and sellers but they all refund my money and say that the part is not available

Can anyone suggest where I can get one from? A second hand part is also OK

Thanks for your help

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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by g84 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:53 am

Here is a site where your can buy it. Good service and fast delivery. Just enter the eper number.
http://www.carparts-pros.com/page_1_3.php#oeformo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by AlfaWhiz » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:17 am

I've successfully purchased from Mister-Auto, albeit in Germany. You can try the UK shop, they do have a bunch of Q4 service parts available at all times: http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/drive-b ... _g310.html

You can also try eBay, there are a number of tensioners available. Just search for "dayco apv2221" or "alfa romeo 60561380" (I'd suggest to double-check the part number for your actual car with ePER).

Good luck! :)

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Post by Alfamuppet » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:35 am

Hi Mikefoxtrot

I tried mister Auto along with a couple of other suppliers on EBay and despite saying they had stock and taking payment, they all subsequently refunded my money with different excuses

So I am a bit stuck at the moment

Best regards

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Post by HaydnW92 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:56 pm

Alfamuppet wrote: I tried mister Auto along with a couple of other suppliers on EBay and despite saying they had stock and taking payment, they all subsequently refunded my money with different excuses

Daryl
That's good to know, I won't bother ordering mine via these places then! I've had this problem with various 164 parts on ebay...why have an active listing if you don't have the actual stock...very annoying.

Anyhow. I recently bought a couple of bits from these guys and the service was good, looks as though they have the auxiliary dampers in stock:
http://www.afl-ricambi.de/Schwingungsda ... 0-60810640" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bertelsbeck also seem to have them available:
http://www.myalfa.eu/product_info.php?i ... IONER.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope that helps.
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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by Alfamuppet » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:41 pm

Thanks Hadyn

I'll give them a try

I managed to get the old tensioner back together, first filling the resivior with a little Fork oil. I did it using a fiat X1/9 valve spring compressor, and offering the damper up to the tensioner and it seems to have worked for now.

As I know the small piston inside the damper is missing its metal O ring I will replace it as the damping effect is not as good as it should be. I had spoken to many people about this, and putting it back together does appear to be common !!

Anyway thanks again and she is now up and running after one pretty major surgery

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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by 164 TD » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:52 am

You can use a damper of a bmw 2.5 tds
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Post by Alfamuppet » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:24 pm

164 TD wrote:You can use a damper of a bmw 2.5 tds
Great - thanks for the info, looks identical and used in a lot of cars and appears lower cost than the stock part. Will try this, although the old one is behaving great and has done 600km this weekend with no issues

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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by 164 TD » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:55 pm

Top one is for BMW 2.5 TDS, lower one my old one.

The BMW one has a slightly longer stroke but works fine, the BMW one costs 40 euro's; the Alfa one 240!



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Post by Alfamuppet » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:09 pm

Perfect - I will have one in the post tomorrow

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Post by Alfamuppet » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:23 pm

And here it is - Thanks for the advice
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Post by AlfaWhiz » Fri May 01, 2015 8:10 pm

Great news. :) I suggest to add this to the alternative parts section.

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Post by AlfaWhiz » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:19 pm

Now I am in the same problem, trying to source the auxiliary belt tensioner. I see one problem: the original part seems to have the holes at both ends of the same diameter, while the BMW part you've used (INA 533 0007 10) has one hole of a larger diameter.

It is unclear to me weather it would fit directly or not.

Have a look here for a comparison: http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Riemenspanner-Sc ... cMiOsr5Lag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by Alfan » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:49 am

I don't know about the dimensions, but here is a link to analogous parts and one found on ebay

https://infopart.org/breda-lorett-cr3313-part" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Riemenspanner-Sc ... cMiOsr5Lag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by AlfaWhiz » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:25 am

Thanks Alfan, I saw the other one on eBay.

But look at all the photos in this thread. The photo in the first post, both sleeves/holes at both ends of the damper are of the bigger diameter. Then, there is the BMW part from INA, which has one tighter and the other one bigger, and finally the original one from Dayco on the eBay listing has two tight holes.

Here I'm lost. :mrgreen:

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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by Alfamuppet » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:20 pm

Hi Alfa Whiz

I fitted the BMW part almost one year ago now and had no issues with the hole diameter at all. It fitted fine and is still going well - I notice that in the photo's the metal insert is missing on one of the bushes which makes the hole diameter look bigger

Both bushes (black plastic part) have a metal insert to reduce the diameter to accommodate the bolts

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Post by AlfaWhiz » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:50 pm

Thanks for the tip Daryl, I've fitted the exact same part last week and it indeed fits fine out of the box. 8)

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Post by Alfamuppet » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:41 am

Great news.

How is your Q4 running now in general?
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Re: Auxiliary belt tensioner damper for Q4

Post by AlfaWhiz » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:31 am

She was running great after a head gasket replacement, which I had to do, together with new injectors and coils. :roll: The job made a world of a difference though, and I'm safe to say that the top of the engine is in mint condition now and hopefully will stay that way. :D

I said "was", as last week another problem struck, this time with fuel supply (no fuel coming to the fuel rail), I'll be investigating this one when I find a bit of spare time, hopefully still this week.

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