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1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Runet » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:00 am

ZAR164(168)00006324797 is the number of my car.
Need to discuss a few issues:
Even if the car stands still, the ECU say vehicle speed is 186kmt. Where is the sensor giving this kind of info?
Is it the abs speedsensor, or is there a sensor on the rear axle? Others?

Also I need a new thermostat. Problem is to find one. Do You know any other cars/engines using the same one?

There is no connection between the abs-unit and the ecu. Where to start search?

Any help will be higly appreciated :D

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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Alfan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:30 pm

Mine did 328km/h at a stand still. Replaced crank shaft sensor 60595754 and all was good. If this is not good, it can also create difficulties starting the car.

Have you had the diagnostic SW connected to the car? This can also connect to the ABS. If there is no connection, you will have to find out if everything is plugged in, then start measuring.
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby HaydnW92 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:45 pm

As far as I'm aware the thermostat is the same across all V6 164s, so finding one shouldn't be too difficult.
http://www.afl-ricambi.de/Thermostat-Al ... 2-60552314

http://www.ebspares.co.uk/parts/EB8/EB570.cfm

http://alfissimo.com/cooling-system-com ... italy.html

I hope that helps.
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Runet » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:03 pm

Alfan wrote:Mine did 328km/h at a stand still. Replaced crank shaft sensor 60595754 and all was good. If this is not good, it can also create difficulties starting the car.

Have you had the diagnostic SW connected to the car? This can also connect to the ABS. If there is no connection, you will have to find out if everything is plugged in, then start measuring.

Hmm...
Yes, diagnostics done.
How can crank shaft sensor say anything about speed? Means its Connected to gearbox?

Thank You all! This is only way to get more wise :D
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby HaydnW92 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:12 pm

I just noticed your other forum topic, where you show a picture of your damaged intake sleeve. It just so happens that a member on here (artiz1 I think) owns a company that produces such items, and he has started manufacturing Q4 intake sleeves :)

I need to buy one too at some point...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60594238-Alfa ... SwdIFXxpv-

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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Runet » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:22 pm

HaydnW92 wrote:I just noticed your other forum topic, where you show a picture of your damaged intake sleeve. It just so happens that a member on here (artiz1 I think) owns a company that produces such items, and he has started manufacturing Q4 intake sleeves :)
I need to buy one too at some point...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60594238-Alfa ... SwdIFXxpv-
Haydn

Thank You!
Just ordered one now from artiz1
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Runet » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:36 pm

HaydnW92 wrote:As far as I'm aware the thermostat is the same across all V6 164s, so finding one shouldn't be too difficult.
http://www.afl-ricambi.de/Thermostat-Al ... 2-60552314
http://www.ebspares.co.uk/parts/EB8/EB570.cfm
http://alfissimo.com/cooling-system-com ... italy.html
I hope that helps.

EBspares dont have. I checked last week.
I normally buy from here:
http://ricambi.alfisti.net/product_info ... ts_id=7323
Is it same thermostat on the 3,0 166 and my 164 Q4? Price was ok from here of it fits.
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Runet » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:03 am

About the speed stuck in 186kmh:
5894214 is a sensor in the viskomatic "gearbox". Is it possible that this sensor gives the info about the speed?
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Integrale » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:06 pm

I think the speed signal is taken from the speedometer to ECU and splitt to viscomatic. The ecu is taking it from there, ref montronic manual.
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Integrale » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:15 pm

Someone know where the speed sensor i17 is in the engine room/gearbox? The signal goes from the speedsensor i17 to the cluster and there converted to other system that needs this signal. The speedometer is function now and then so need to check the sensor
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Integrale evo » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:37 pm

Found the speedsensor, hard to get access to, but i found some corrosion on the connection. Cross my finger for a easy solution :oops: , ABS was defective CPU, therefor no ABS light to the cluster. The CPU is sending 12V to the cluster to light the ABS lamp, when the CPU is broken there will never be light on the ABS lamp. Still working with the speed signal to the ECU, found out that it shows from 34km/t to 330km/t :twisted:
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Alfan » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:54 pm

So did you replace the crank shaft sensor?
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Integrale evo » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:52 pm

So do you think its the crank shaft sensor, I have not change it. Will order one even its not any fault detected by ECU :shock:
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Alfan » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:36 pm

I forgot you had this thread going :)

I think the easiest would be to replace it and see what happens. I have had different symptoms the 2 (or is it 3?) times this part has failed in my car...
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Re: 1996 164 Q4 speedsensor and thermostat and abs

Postby Integrale evo » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:28 pm

Thanks, i did not see your answard about crank sensor before yesterday. This sensor is not to expensive so Will try to change it :)
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