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speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:37 pm

Hello everybody.
I need an advice: on my 2L TS 1989 the speedometer indicates wrong speed (60 for 80 for example) then it stops and stays at 90 (km/h).
Could it be the sender or the tacho ??????????Thank you.
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: speedometer

Post by Raphael164Super24V » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:35 pm

Hello
Have you solved your problem?
On my Alfa 33 which has a speedometer system similar to 164, I had a problem like this, the hand indicated incorrect values ​​and sometimes it indicated the maximum speed. In my case it was the tachometer which was out of order.
Alfa 164 Super 3.2 24V 1993
Alfa 164 Super 3.0 24 1995
Alfa GTV6 2.5
Alfa 33 1.7 QV

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Re: speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Hearing a friend who drives a TD since 1989 the sender is faulty due to some dirt on the sensor.
About the lovely 33, I owned 4 and two of them had a tacho with some problem.
Problem was the tacho but if its not broken it can be cleaned and fixed.
I can be wrong but the 33 has a mechanical gear transmission with cable so if this is not cut the problem comes from the tacho.
On the 164 first series the sensor sends signal to an analogic counter.
On the Super the tacho is digital.
Raphael where are you on the planet ?
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: speedometer

Post by Alfan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:08 pm

Maybe not so far from you?
http://www.alfaromeo164register.com/vie ... f=5&t=2060

I think some of the 33's had electronic tachometer, but not sure.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 65kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 195kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 100kkm

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Re: speedometer

Post by Raphael164Super24V » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm

My 33 is a last model with electric speedometer, my father owned a 1.5 QV Sprint with the cable speedometer.

I did not know that it was possible to repair the speedometer, I did not throw away the old one :)
Alfa 164 Super 3.2 24V 1993
Alfa 164 Super 3.0 24 1995
Alfa GTV6 2.5
Alfa 33 1.7 QV

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Re: speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:21 pm

I took off the sensor that's on the differential and the end falled ind the case, then I took off the same thing on a TD and it falled too in the bottom of the differential..........I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN KEEP CALM !!!!!
Now what can I do ??
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: speedometer

Post by Alfan » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:31 am

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 65kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 195kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 100kkm

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Re: speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:14 pm

Raphael164Super24V wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:28 pm
My 33 is a last model with electric speedometer, my father owned a 1.5 QV Sprint with the cable speedometer.

I did not know that it was possible to repair the speedometer, I did not throw away the old one :)
Je crois que nous sommes concitoyens. 8)
Bon je suis bien embêté vu que j'ai perdu les deux embouts de capteur dans les deux carters de pont. :evil:
La réponse d'ALFAN est venue trop tard je ne pouvais pas deviner cette facétie d'un ingénieur loufoque. :cry:
Vous avez une collection ALFA ROMEO on dirait :wink:
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:17 pm

164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: speedometer

Post by Raphael164Super24V » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:57 am

You were unlucky :(
to recover it you have to drain oil and remove the differential cover, it's a complicated if you don't have a pit available.

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Alfa 164 Super 3.2 24V 1993
Alfa 164 Super 3.0 24 1995
Alfa GTV6 2.5
Alfa 33 1.7 QV

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Re: speedometer

Post by 164EVER » Mon May 04, 2020 7:03 pm

IT's done, this stupid plastic is out. The carter can be take off still on the car. One can say it to every 164 owner..........
The plastic pinion and wheel are ok .
Must be the sender, gonna put the TD one. If not the sender, I will replace the counter, tell you then. Could be in long time actually the car has no brakes no shocks absorber.................
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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