Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:00 pm

RickyManfred wrote:If it's cracked, isn't it covered by your insurance? or maybe new windscreens aren't produced anymore?
If I had full insurance, it would ;)

It should still be possible to get new windscreens, but it has been a couple of years since I last checked.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by RickyManfred » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:37 pm

Ah! I see :D
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:09 pm

I am making the Q4 ready for winter driving and the car drives fine. However, the ABS and 4WD are not working, so some work to do still.

I found out that one of the relays in the ABS electronic unit is not working, but these are fixed, so I need to figure out how to replace those - http://alfaromeo164register.com/viewtop ... f=2&t=1813" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems that the clutch/piston for the 4WD is not moving as it should, since replacing the sensor for the piston did not remove the error.

The valve lifter noise has not reappeared, so that is good :)

At least I don't have to worry about having the clutches replaced in my 4C, as that is a warranty job...
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1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:41 am

I have done an oil change and some other small stuff to the Q4, so updated the status post (#1).

There are still a lot of things to do, but most of that is going to happen when the car is taken of the road end of March. The plan is to have 4WD and ABS (and some other stuff) for next winter :)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:58 am

Friday, when starting the car and going home from work, a strange whirring sound appeared. The car drove normally, so I took off. After a few minutes, the sound disappeared, but power steering had also gone and the temp started rising rapidly!

Pulled over and found that the lowest of the tensioner pulleys had fallen off and was lying on the engine frame...! So yesterday it was towed to the garage I share with others. I found that the bolt was still in the pulley and undamaged! However, the pulley wasn't moving freely, so a new part is ordered, as well as a new belt.

Now I have learned what was making that whirring sound!

So right now it is stored in its own garage, as we are expanding storage facilities - so safe and sound, waiting for new parts :)
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1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:05 am

plenty of space! (for fleet expansion?)

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:40 pm

Probably not by me - for now at least ;)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:37 pm

And now the Q4 rolls again :)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ojj2fuuujtmc ... ZqA-a?dl=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:14 am

So I better make an update for this one... Only small stuff has been edited in my first post of this thread :|

The car has been off the road since winter, as it would not pass inspection with the cracked windshield. A lot of work has been done in the hobby garage to improve the facilities, so not much messing with cars. This also means that the Q4 won't be ready to go on winter duty. However, I will then spend time getting the bigger work done and some of the small tasks as well.

Right now, we are disassembling a 164 12V Super, from which I hope to reuse the windscreen and some other small parts, like door mounts.

I have also shipped a set of used adjustable shock absorbers and steering racks to Poland for reconditioning - I will let you know the outcome of that, when I have them back.

The relays in the ABS unit have been replaced, but I am not done erasing error codes yet. More to follow in the Q4 ABS thread.

I really hope to make a lot more updates in the coming months, also adding some more photos to this thread... :)
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1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:55 pm

Interesting; curious to see how the Polish reconditioning works out.

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:57 am

So after some transportation time (the box from Poland went to Spain with GLS...!) I have received my first Christmas gift :D

And last year I brought a set of shock absorbers to South Africa for reconditioning, I will pick them up tomorrow - that is my 2. Christmas gift :mrgreen:

As I have not mounted the parts on the car (will happen (beginning of?) next year, the performance is unknown, but as the photos show, it is looking like new, both shocks and steering racks! I am very pleased with the outcome and the total price was around 900euro, which I think is good.

The company doing this is in Gdansk, Poland, and you can read more about them here: http://www.nagengast.pl/regeneration-en.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can refer to me (Allan) when contacting them. They actually replied in Danish, but English is not a problem. They might also do other parts than shocks and racks, but I didn't ask about that.

I will update this thread when I have driven the car with the new parts - really looking forward to that! There is also lots of other work to be done, so more to come in 2018 :)
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Q4 shocks 1
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Q4 shocks 2
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Q4 shocks 3
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Q4 shocks 4
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Q4 shocks 5
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 1
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 2
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 3
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 4
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 5
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:58 am

A couple more of the steering racks.
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 6
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Q4 - 8.32 steering racks 7
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by MikeCZ » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:49 am

Wow, nice, that looks like new :)
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:54 am

Looks good indeed! But as you said; see how it works (especially if it lasts! I had my steering rack refurbished in Thailand) and that lasted only a couple of years before it started leaking again).

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by AlfaWhiz » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:05 pm

Excellent find Alfan! It all looks like it's brand new. I will definitely send them my spare shocks for a rebuild after seeing the result, and it looks like they actually kind of specialize in the adjustable Boge struts, have a look at this video from their website: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvVmOsSKqOU

Looks like they are actually re-manufacturing most of the parts. :!: You even get brand new OEM stickers. :!: :!: :!:

Also, my steering rack is most probably gone (leak) so that post of yours comes right in time. :roll: :wink:

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by AlfaWhiz » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:50 am

Question: are you planning to replace steering rack bushing 82388352, and if yes, do you have any source for this part?

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:48 am

I replaced the steering rack 4 years ago in the Q4, so it is not my plan to do that now. I had them reconditioned, so that they are available to me and maybe it is needed in the 8.32 soon, but I have not looked at specific parts yet.

I cannot remember if it was on this site or AlfaBB someone wrote about finding a replacement or another solution...
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:36 pm

Attached are photos of the Lancia shock absorbers, I have received from South Africa. These were more rusty, than the Alfa ones, which is why they have a more rough surface after reconditioning.

I also have some photos of the seal on the Q4 rear shocks, the naming on it looks like 'Top-Gun-D-L 022'.

I am looking for a set of front springs for the Q4 - they are apparently different to the FWD, and difficult to find, so I will probably use a set of FWD, as the added weight at the front of the Q4 is minimal.
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Thema 8.32 - 01
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Thema 8.32 - 02
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Thema 8.32 - 03
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Thema 8.32 - 04
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164 Q4 rear strut - seal 01
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164 Q4 rear strut - seal 02
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:41 am

I managed to find new front springs for the Q4 (Suplex 01045) and the are the same, apart from being app. 2 cm lower than the originals I have, see photo. I don't think that will change too much when compressed, though.

I also found the values for the extension of the shaft for the Q4 front, which is less than the FWD. According to the workshop manual the FWD should be 167mm +/-2.5, for the Q4 it is 122mm +/-5.5. The rear struts are different on the Q4 and no value is given for this measure. I measured the rebuild ones and got 118mm for the front and 140 for the rear (which is stated to be 212,5mm +/-3 for the FWD), so they are within the given spec.

I will measure the height of the front, before installing the new springs, so I know what the difference is.
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164 Q4 front spring original and new
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164 Q4 front springs new Suplex 01045
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164 24V front springs Suplex 01045
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Integrale evo » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:23 pm

This looks nice. Next year you have to come to Norway for ice race with the Norwegian club. Its great fun :)

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by wilco » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:55 pm

:D
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Integrale evo wrote:This looks nice. Next year you have to come to Norway for ice race with the Norwegian club. Its great fun :)
Worth considering - I just need to get it ready first... :wink:
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:50 pm

So replacing the 60A fuse that Alfawhiz found to fix his ABS issue, the ABS light in my car does not come on either when driving the car - I hope this is a more permanent fix :!:
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 135kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 85kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by AlfaWhiz » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:35 am

Great news :!: :)

Keep us posted about the progress on other items too, I'm interested to see if the springs you found will lower the car slightly. I actually think 1-2cm lower would suit it very well and would look into that myself.

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by AlfaWhiz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:26 pm

I believe that would be worth watching for you Allan, Harry's garage just did an episode on the 8.32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3rHl4DH-fY :D

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