Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Tamariini » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:19 am

Alfan wrote:
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Alfan wrote:I am wondering though if Tutela GI/R (green) in the latest version from Alfa works as I had intended...
In my Q4 it doesn't...
I forgot to ask which oil you are using now?
I still have this new type of GI/R. works fine when it's cold (winter time) but on "hot" summerdays i get too little hydraulic pressure and 4wd light is always on when idling. Also i get a leak from recond steering rack at summer. So best guess is that oil is too thin when hot?!?
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:56 pm

I looked further into this and it turns out that the level indeed was too low (hadn't seen the 'Max' mark was so high in the reservoir). Now I don't have any unwanted sounds from the servo. It says ISO VG 22 on the Tutela GI/R bootle and from what I can see that should work well for a broad temperature range, so I will stick to this oil for now and monitor what happens over time.
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by wilco » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:41 am

so, the light is off now ?
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:26 am

wilco wrote:so, the light is off now ?
No :( Some further work is needed...
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1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:54 pm

I have updated the list of issues. Some have been fixed and new ones appeared. Main things to look at are 4WD and idle speed regulator and they might not be that simple to fix, but at least I have a pretty good idea of what is causing these problems.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:44 am

Alfan wrote:I have updated the list of issues. Some have been fixed and new ones appeared.
You can give yourself more credit than in your update; you forget to mention in "fixed" that you have finished replacing your gearbox!

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:14 am

alfa east wrote:You can give yourself more credit than in your update; you forget to mention in "fixed" that you have finished replacing your gearbox!
I mention that it was replaced under the steering rack part. As such it wasn't a problem, as I am sure the gearbox could have lasted many more miles, so it didn't get a separate mention.

But it is good to know that you are aware of the details in my project :)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:52 pm

Yes, I find it refreshing to read how you use your 164 so intensely, put on a lot of miles and enjoy taking care of it. It's an inspiration and promises me that I still have many miles/years left in mine!

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:25 pm

alfa east wrote:Yes, I find it refreshing to read how you use your 164 so intensely, put on a lot of miles and enjoy taking care of it. It's an inspiration and promises me that I still have many miles/years left in mine!
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1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:20 pm

I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed. I replaced the center console and Q31 (aircon regulator unit), and the blower motor is ok, so I need to look at the cables at some point.

I also installed an auto-dimming rear-view mirror, that is a very nice feature this time of year :D

And I took a drive in the Lancia today, that was a joy 8)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:00 pm

The Q4 has been running well recently, still some issues to fix, but it went through the yearly inspection last week with no remarks :D

I got the support on the underside of the carpet in the boot replaced, as the original paper like stuff was falling apart.

I hope to replace the oil cooler, as it is leaking a little.

It is now showing 490.000km, so it has actually passed 500.000km, since I drove it for 6 months without it showing speed or counting mileage.

Time to get summer tires on soon :D
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:13 pm

What an achievement! Even though it has passed the landmark already, please make sure to make a photo of the 500,000 km on the odometer!

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:37 pm

alfa east wrote:What an achievement! Even though it has passed the landmark already, please make sure to make a photo of the 500,000 km on the odometer!
It will be posted world wide :mrgreen:
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfamuppet » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:46 pm

Fantastic - next target 1 million Km's

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sun May 04, 2014 5:52 pm

I have updated the status on the issues in the first post. I have also attached photos of the ABS pump motor when disassembled from the hydraulic unit. I also uploaded a short video, but I cannot see that it is there, so have a look in dropbox, if you are interested.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hr7le61awwwm1os/s0zjA3gjQ5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:52 pm

I replaced the center console with another used on and the hazard lights are not turning on intermittently anymore.

I also had the condensor replaced today, so that I can stay cool in the close to 30 deg celcius we are having here at the moment 8)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Porto » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:58 pm

Alfan wrote:I replaced the center console with another used on and the hazard lights are not turning on intermittently anymore.

I also had the condensor replaced today, so that I can stay cool in the close to 30 deg celcius we are having here at the moment 8)
Hello,

Problem with the hazard lights coming on by themselves sits mostly in the flatcable between the two halves of the display / airco unit. When you open it, there is an 4-pin flatcable (right above the buttons for fueltank and trunk) which probably has loose solder joints on the switchboard side; reflow them and you're good to go!

If this is not the case, another relais can solve this or just bend the relaispins a little for better contact in the socket.
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:03 am

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I fixed the relay for the hazard lights some years ago, and that has been fine ever since. I am sure it's in the aircon unit, as replacing that fixed the problem :)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:20 pm

My Q4 has finally passed 500.000km - the proof can be found here :D

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0apyga6gb6cz ... pAO8gVuSma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:50 am

Fantastic! What a milestone. And that in a complicated automobile like the Q4! It's not my car, but I feel proud.

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:14 am

Thanks - I have done ½ of the total mileage of the car in 11 years, and it has - and still is - an awesome car to drive :)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:32 am

Wow have you bought an 4C as well !?!

You have some nice cars Sir ! *hat tip*

Group photo please :)
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by alfa east » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:42 am

Alfan wrote:I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed.
Was this problem solved as well when you replaced the center console?

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:13 am

alfa east wrote:
Alfan wrote:I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed.
Was this problem solved as well when you replaced the center console?
I installed a fully working part (Q31) with some heat sink and now it works. I have to update the text in my first post.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project

Post by Alfan » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:15 am

Maffia_Alfista wrote:Wow have you bought an 4C as well !?!

You have some nice cars Sir ! *hat tip*

Group photo please :)
Yes, sometimes you have to spoil yourself :mrgreen:

I will keep the other cars, so at some point (4C delivery is not until next year, though I signed the contract last year...), a group photo should be possible!
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55kkm
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello 155kkm
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 90kkm

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