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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:44 pm

Tonight i had to undo the car from the outside mirror on the right side.
This needed a repaintjob and as you can see a new mirror glass, the current one is a bit to small.
i was wondering why the wiring was this bad, later after removing the glass wich needed some force it got clear to me.
The mirror was broke and the former owner didn't wanted to buy a new/used one i guess.

A lot of silicon kept the mirror at it's place, to many little bolts and a few plates held the mirror together.
This means.... searching for a other mirror will start.

Not how i want to see it....
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a to small mirrorglass
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A bad painting
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"repaired" wiring
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lots of silicon
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plates to keep the frame together
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and more handyman tricks. :shock:
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:56 pm

I ordered the steering boot set and have to wait for that, replace the steering rack and. do a compression test. after that i can put het in the garage.
About the compresion and oil consumption i will keep you informed.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby 164SQ » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:54 am

Are they the fully motorised mirrors that 'tilt in' as well? What does the switch that controls them look like?
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:55 am

164SQ wrote:Are they the fully motorised mirrors that 'tilt in' as well? What does the switch that controls them look like?


Yes they are. Will make some pictures from the rest of the mirror.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:02 pm

Monday i received my ordered rack hoseset.
Totaly complete for just € 41 incl. shipping.

Erwin this is it now. :D :D

Will search for the old pics and post them too.

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Thursday i will visit the garage for replacing the steering rack. finally....
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:04 pm

Before operation Steering rack i had to make a before and
after about the steeringwheel. The old one had to be removed and
replaced for the original 24v QV wheel and it's much easyer
for the comming job to replace the steering rack.

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after (originale :D :D )
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:20 pm

In the first place i thought this job needs to be done on a bridge, 164 TD told me thats not necessary, because this job doesn't need a bridge to fix it i parked my car back on the driveway.

Today i started with removing parts so i can replace the leaking steeringrack. Thnx to 164 TD for his knowledge. To let you join it i made pictures and will try to explane some pics a little.

I will try to explane some pics, for other …. pictures will do. :)

I started removing the steeringwheel, it will be replaced by the original wheel and on the other side it’s easyer working, you don’t have to remember the right place the steering axle was mounted. Removing the steeringwheel will NOT do for all wheels.
Removed steeringwheel.
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Removing the airintake to create some space .
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End of the steeringaxle. Remove the 3 bolts.
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Also remove these bolts, later you can remove the protectionplate.
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Loosen nut.
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Nut must be unscrewed DO NOT use a hammer to remove it. as an additional assurance of the shaft that is threaded down at the powersteering.
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Loosen the axle from the powersteering and remove the protectionplate, now you see the soft rubber gasket and canvas oil hose from the wheelhouse.
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Friday another day @ the driveway for pictures and tinker again.
Lift up the car, remove the rims and trying to replace the steeringrack.

To be continued
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby ALFAHEIDA » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:36 am

Great work Hendrik, goodluck today! :wink:
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby alfa east » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:34 am

A job many of the 164 owners will have to do sometime; useful photo manual!
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby Ladin164QV » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:15 am

Nice photos, this is the easiest part of this job... It is hard to reach the screws holding the steering rack on the frame. Good luck :D

I found out that it will take some time to release crews from the rack.....pppffffttttt but for a first time job i did it within 4 hours. Get the car lifted and the rack out of the enginebay.

Will translate my topic from the .nl site later today or tomorrow.
Now i have to get the new rack at it's place.

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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:41 pm

Finally i have internet again, after a broken router i lost connection with the outer world... sending a router is not as easy as you might think.

So time to continue my steering rack replacing:

Saturday feb 26th arround 12:30 i started to remove the rack for a oneman job it took me 4 hours.
There where not that many picture moments, took some time to remove the 4 bolts ( Ladin164QV you're right with the 4 bolts, it will save 30% of the time if you are with 2 man to remove the 4 bolts) but for a first time oneman job i'm not complaning. :)

Here some pictures:

Preparations to lift the car and remove the front wheels.
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Plastic covers needs to be removed also.
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Jack and wheels for additional support, safety first..... :D
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Important piece of equipment, long cap 17, a few extensions, a ratchet and a knee. Cap 13 is also required to loosening the bolts of the protection plate.
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After a few hous the old steering rack is removed.
For convenience, I have loosened the oilhose from the steeringhouse, gave me a little more space for the rear bolt to turn.

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The old rack.
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Tighten the nut on the pushrod a little bit loose so you can turn the rod from the fuse, tighten the nut against the rod, but do not overtighten.
If you have the rod out measuring the distance of the threaded rod that you have turned out, this distance is for the new steering rack needed, this is not 100% good but later you need to align the car also.
Length of the stud from the fuse. zat.
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Removing the metal protection place after you loosend it will not be easy, i had a strugle with it. and removed it after the rack was removed.

To remove the rack you need to turn it to the engine and pull it out on the driversside of the car.

So far so good, the next day i made pictures when i put back the new rack.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:01 pm

Sunday feb 27 we had som snow and i only could put back the metal protection plate.

Protection plate between the steering rack and the engine.
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Front bolt with the stud for the plate.
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Rear bolts.
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In the first place i didn't wanted to replace the steering ends, but the hose conditions where terrible and replaced them for the "new"ones. drivers side wouldn't cooperate so i had to use some extra tools.
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"new"en old
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location for the rack.
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Centering holes for the rack spacers.
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replacing the rack.
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Back in her old environment........
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Protectionplate has been placed also.
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Arjen thnx for the tips you gave me .....

It's a nice job to do, i had to do it on my drive way and a second person arround would be easy when you want to loosen the 4 bolts and put them back.
For a TD or a TS it seems to be a much easyer job than for a V6, doing something like this for the first time should not be a problem but you need to figure out how to losse some things and replaceing them.

I had to do this allone but the time it took me was about 14 hours.
The rack has been replaced and needs to vent. Do not puut the wheels back yet.
fill the resrvoir and start the engineed, turn the wheel max to the left and than to the right. check the reservoir and fill it again. than turn the wheel again both sides. do this a few times so the airbubbles have removed from the reservoir. i used 1 ltr oil for this.

The total cost where € 41 for the steering rack hose, € 9,50 for a ltr powersteering oil.emaakte kosten zijn 40,29 voor de nieuwe rubbers en 9,50 voor een liter olie.

Also thanx to Erwin for the rack... :09:


So next project would be the oil consumption, this is what i will do when the wether gets better, now i will putt back the rear shelf as it was.
Will post a video when starting the car, it sound not that good and the oils looks grey in stead of brown/black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pn0zDIkY4Y

any info about things that can be wrong with the engine are welcome................
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:03 pm

More pictures............

last weekend i removed the valve cover...

this is what i found....

The oil for the vallve cams......

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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:51 pm

So last post for today (had to do some cath-up after router problems)

Today i started with the rearshelf, weeks ago i removed it from my FL donor. ( during this job i feld like a figurant in a mob movie, on my back in the trunk with a grinder to remove the shelf).

The old shelf needs some customising to get her in the QV, in the QV the rearshelf needs some finishing, sharp pieces of metal could hurt people when they have to be in the trunk.

The QV shelf...why do people do this??????????
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Donor shelf
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Attachment of the shelf to the strut.
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The QV shelf after grinding it in shape.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby alfa east » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:35 pm

fasani wrote:The old shelf needs some customising to get her in the QV, in the QV the rearshelf needs some finishing, sharp pieces of metal could hurt people when they have to be in the trunk.


Well, as you said earlier, fasani, half a maffia boss worth his salt only transports dead bodies in the trunk. So I wouldn't worry too much about "sharp pieces of metal" 8) .
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:41 pm

alfa east wrote:
fasani wrote:The old shelf needs some customising to get her in the QV, in the QV the rearshelf needs some finishing, sharp pieces of metal could hurt people when they have to be in the trunk.


Well, as you said earlier, fasani, half a maffia boss worth his salt only transports dead bodies in the trunk. So I wouldn't worry too much about "sharp pieces of metal" 8) .


Normally i wouldn't but after a few weeks the pieces that got stuck to the sharp pieces will rot... :shock:
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:51 pm

The story goes on...

Last weekend i spend som hours on the drive way.. sun was shining.

Rearshelf fits as it should be...

Color does differ a little :) :)
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@ the dutch forum i heard that there where members that storage 164 in a carton box……. Well as you can see it's also usefull to do some painting in it. no it's not a magicbox. :D
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primer…..
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Nero 601
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This feels very good, as it should be...............
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:52 pm

there is more to come..... stay tuned.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby alfa east » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:51 am

By the way, is that rearshelf bolted into place or do you have to weld it?
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:35 pm

alfa east wrote:By the way, is that rearshelf bolted into place or do you have to weld it?


East,

I wanted it to be weld as it was original.


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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby alfisti-164 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:26 pm

Indeed, how it should be! She becomes nicer and nicer...

Nice pics!
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby 164SQ » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:42 pm

Great work on the rear shelf and steering rack :D
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby Ladin164QV » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:24 pm

Any progress? :?:
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby fasani » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:26 pm

Unfortunatly not, since april i have a problem with my back, just started to get back to work. But if there is than i sure will post it here.
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Re: 1993 24v QV

Postby squadragrunn » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:34 pm

Ladin164QV wrote:Any progress? :?:

since a few months, i'm the new owner of the qv. started out enthousiastically, but ran into big problems
at first i suspected the cyl.heads to cause the oil-problems, so i took out the engine and refurbished the heads (new valve guides also). put the engine together again since everything else looked like new (litterally). after installing the engine it still spewed oil/smoked
conclusion, the engine has other mayor problems.........at wich point i had to decide to get another engine cheaply
this is now in the car but also running badly because the injectors of the old engine proofed to be also defective. when i have it running ok , 1st thing will be m.o.t./apk then hopefully a respray.................
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