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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by wilco » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:16 pm

i think snow is not the issue in our countries ;)
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by alfa east » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:56 am

wilco wrote:i think snow is not the issue in our countries ;)
Coming from our resident arctic dweller Roald "Wilco" Amundsen . One winter in Norway and he is an expert fire builder under the 164 oilsump in -50C :wink:.

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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:57 pm

Snow !! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUQxtO-Kec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by alfa east » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:41 am

Great to see how you can still catch it going sideways at the roundabout! Impressive.

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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by 164 TD » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:20 pm

Awesome!

That's why they build roundabouts!!
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by ALFAHEIDA » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:11 pm

Looks great! Thnx. for sharing.

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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:54 pm

164 TD wrote: That's why they build roundabouts!!
Indeed ! :mrgreen:
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by wilco » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:12 pm

snow rained away here :shock:
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Ladin164QV » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:55 pm

Nice :D
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Alfan » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:53 pm

Though we didn't see it, I'm sure you were smiling after that drive :mrgreen:
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:11 pm

Alfan wrote:Though we didn't see it, I'm sure you were smiling after that drive :mrgreen:
I'm always smiling when I'm driving my Alfas :)
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:12 pm

wilco wrote:snow rained away here :shock:
Same here today.. can't wait for a "fresh batch" that stays !! :evil:
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by Tamariini » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:20 pm

Maffia_Alfista wrote:Snow !! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUQxtO-Kec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thumbs up!

I wish we only had the power to make same thing on asphalt :mrgreen:
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Winter tires ON !

Post by wilco » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:55 pm

Maffia_Alfista wrote:
wilco wrote:snow rained away here :shock:
Same here today.. can't wait for a "fresh batch" that stays !! :evil:
from -8 to +10 ikkje bra ;)
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Knock Knock....

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:53 pm

- Who's there?
- Rod !
- Rod who?
- Rod Knock !
- Gaaah !!!


Didn't get to drive much this winter...
Got an bearing knock before Christmas and I put away the car in the garage and "forgot" about it for a while.. :evil:
Tech thread: http://alfaromeo164register.com/viewtop ... f=2&t=1041" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Started fixing it 2 weeks ago by taking down the subframe, extracting the engine+ transmission and then putting the subframe, etc back
(so I could roll it out of the garage) and after that I got a bit lazy.

Got my thumb out today and removed the transmission and sump from the engine (with Skype support from Wilco, since they didn't want to part so easy)

Here's some pics.

Starting (again...)
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Out (lot of svearing and 4 days ineffective work, could be done in 2 or less if you are experienced and in the mood)
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Big lump
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On the bench
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Split
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Sump of
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Expensive bling...
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Clutch question

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:07 am

How thick should the clutch disc on the Q4 be?

Mine measures 8,2mm wish is more than a new standard 3.0 12v and 3.0 12v QV (S) clutch discs according the the clutch workshop manual.
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Is it better then new? ;)


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Driveshaft seal question ?

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:22 am

Beside all the bearings I'm also replacing the crank shaft seals front and back.

Should I replace the driveshaft seals in the diff and gearbox input shaft seal while I have my d*ck out so to speak.... ?

Where can I buy them?

Heard that parts for the Getrag-boxes is hard to come by...
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by wilco » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:58 am

if they where not leaking and you didn't damage them, you don't have to replace the driveshaft seals.
i damaged mine and ended up pressing a nissan seal into the original seal... Didn't had the time to order..
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by wilco » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:52 pm

some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:04 pm

wilco wrote:some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.
Ok will inspect it and see if has leaked earlier..

Where have you bought yours (the correct one) ?
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by Alfan » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:57 pm

See here about buying a clutch viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will add pictures of it in my photo album later today.

So you managed to separate the gearbox from the engine. I plan to replace the gearbox and clutch in my Q4, when the workshop has time... This will be with the engine in the car, so more difficult. Any experience on this would be welcome :D
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 270kkm
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 65kkm
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by wilco » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:43 pm

I have. let someone else do it lol
long unpleasant job :P
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:15 pm

wilco wrote:some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.
What part number did the correct one have? Where did you buy it ?
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Re: Clutch question

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:20 pm

Maffia_Alfista wrote:How thick should the clutch disc on the Q4 be?

Mine measures 8,2mm wish is more than a new standard 3.0 12v and 3.0 12v QV (S) clutch discs according the the clutch workshop manual.
The Valeo clutch discs for 164 3.0 L, S and Q are all 9mm thick according to their US parts catalogue (European didn't have thickness data)

So their Q4 clutch disc was probably 9mm to. Since mine Q4 clutch from Valeo is 8.2mm now it seams like a reasonable assumption.


Should I change it or just the release bearing? It felt great before the engine failure. No slip.
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Re: 164 Q4 -95 : Knock Knock...

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:46 pm

http://www.mister-auto.se/sv/kopplingss ... _g479.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheap clutch kit from LUK.. 1 735 SEK = 205,67 euro :shock:

Including:
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info 2: with clutch plate
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info: with clutch pressure plate
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info 2: with releaser

according to: http://seekpart24.com/luk/clutch-kit-62 ... 051&at=119" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and: http://toc.luk-as.de/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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