164 Q4 -95 : AC fixed and status report

[wilco]

i think snow is not the issue in our countries

[alfa east]

i think snow is not the issue in our countries

Coming from our resident arctic dweller Roald "Wilco" Amundsen . One winter in Norway and he is an expert fire builder under the 164 oilsump in -50C .

[Maffia_Alfista]

Snow !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUQxtO-Kec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[alfa east]

Great to see how you can still catch it going sideways at the roundabout! Impressive.

[164 TD]

Awesome!

That's why they build roundabouts!!

[ALFAHEIDA]

Looks great! Thnx. for sharing.

[Maffia_Alfista]

That's why they build roundabouts!!

Indeed !

[wilco]

snow rained away here

[Ladin164QV]

Nice

[Alfan]

Though we didn't see it, I'm sure you were smiling after that drive

[Maffia_Alfista]

Though we didn't see it, I'm sure you were smiling after that drive

I'm always smiling when I'm driving my Alfas

[Maffia_Alfista]

snow rained away here

Same here today.. can't wait for a "fresh batch" that stays !!

[Tamariini]

Snow !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUQxtO-Kec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thumbs up!

I wish we only had the power to make same thing on asphalt

[wilco]

snow rained away here

Same here today.. can't wait for a "fresh batch" that stays !!

from -8 to +10 ikkje bra

[Maffia_Alfista]

- Who's there?
- Rod !
- Rod who?
- Rod Knock !
- Gaaah !!!


Didn't get to drive much this winter...
Got an bearing knock before Christmas and I put away the car in the garage and "forgot" about it for a while..
Tech thread: http://alfaromeo164register.com/viewtop ... f=2&t=1041" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Started fixing it 2 weeks ago by taking down the subframe, extracting the engine+ transmission and then putting the subframe, etc back
(so I could roll it out of the garage) and after that I got a bit lazy.

Got my thumb out today and removed the transmission and sump from the engine (with Skype support from Wilco, since they didn't want to part so easy)

Here's some pics.

Starting (again...)



Out (lot of svearing and 4 days ineffective work, could be done in 2 or less if you are experienced and in the mood)


Big lump


On the bench


Split


Sump of


Expensive bling...

[Maffia_Alfista]

How thick should the clutch disc on the Q4 be?

Mine measures 8,2mm wish is more than a new standard 3.0 12v and 3.0 12v QV (S) clutch discs according the the clutch workshop manual.



Is it better then new?

[Maffia_Alfista]

Beside all the bearings I'm also replacing the crank shaft seals front and back.

Should I replace the driveshaft seals in the diff and gearbox input shaft seal while I have my d*ck out so to speak.... ?

Where can I buy them?

Heard that parts for the Getrag-boxes is hard to come by...

[wilco]

if they where not leaking and you didn't damage them, you don't have to replace the driveshaft seals.
i damaged mine and ended up pressing a nissan seal into the original seal... Didn't had the time to order..

[wilco]

some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.

[Maffia_Alfista]

some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.

Ok will inspect it and see if has leaked earlier..

Where have you bought yours (the correct one) ?

[Alfan]

See here about buying a clutch viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will add pictures of it in my photo album later today.

So you managed to separate the gearbox from the engine. I plan to replace the gearbox and clutch in my Q4, when the workshop has time... This will be with the engine in the car, so more difficult. Any experience on this would be welcome

[wilco]

I have. let someone else do it lol
long unpleasant job

[Maffia_Alfista]

some say you have to replace that gearbox clutchside seal aswell. i did it and ended up with total leakage which resulted i could do the whole job again.
Thnk twice or make 100% sure you have the right one. the inside of the new one i had was slightly bigger which resultet in a big loss.

What part number did the correct one have? Where did you buy it ?

[Maffia_Alfista]

How thick should the clutch disc on the Q4 be?

Mine measures 8,2mm wish is more than a new standard 3.0 12v and 3.0 12v QV (S) clutch discs according the the clutch workshop manual.

The Valeo clutch discs for 164 3.0 L, S and Q are all 9mm thick according to their US parts catalogue (European didn't have thickness data)

So their Q4 clutch disc was probably 9mm to. Since mine Q4 clutch from Valeo is 8.2mm now it seams like a reasonable assumption.


Should I change it or just the release bearing? It felt great before the engine failure. No slip.

[Maffia_Alfista]

http://www.mister-auto.se/sv/kopplingss ... _g479.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheap clutch kit from LUK.. 1 735 SEK = 205,67 euro

Including:
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info 2: with clutch plate
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info: with clutch pressure plate
Supplementary Article/Supplementary Info 2: with releaser

according to: http://seekpart24.com/luk/clutch-kit-62 ... 051&at=119" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and: http://toc.luk-as.de/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;