Prelude to the 164-designing the instrument panel.

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Prelude to the 164-designing the instrument panel.

Post by 164 TD » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:56 pm

While one part of of the design department was working on the exterior of the 164, another department was working on the instrument panel and the ergonomic design of its surrounding.
Initially the instrument panel had a lot of similarities with the Guillietta's instruments; on the second picture you see the contra rotating RPM indicator which was so recognizable for the Guillietta.
In my humble opinion, I'm glad they continued until they had the design they used in the first series.

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On the picture below you can see the first test cars already had the first series instrument panel, but still used a pre-production steering wheel.(It must have been chilly that day; he has the rear window defog on.)

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Post by 164 TD » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:21 pm

On the last picture you can see that the centerconsole of the forelasts picture is used; never seen this console in a production 164.
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Post by alfa east » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:45 am

Interesting, already you can see the desire to achieve a clean, uncluttered design, continuing the exterior design filosophy on the inside. Although I find my 'Super' model ski-slope design still fresh and contemporary, the original design is possibly more what the 164 is all about.

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Post by ALFAHEIDA » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:47 am

Hey cute; great story Arjen! Photo's I have never seen. Super.
There still was a lot of changing in the end. (before production).
-Steering wheel
-Dashboard
-Instrumentpanel

In my upinion there was a lot of effort put in the 164.

Thnx. Arjen.
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Post by 164 TD » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:26 pm

The 'horse shoe' type instrumentpanel looks too much 'Buck Rogers' style seventies to me.

The final instrumentpanel that made it into the first series looks more distinguised, in my opinion more than the one later placed in the FL/Super types.

(I recollect the selftest in which the entire horizontal bar came on, with the 2 unnecessary wing lights on both ends of the horizontal bar; brilliant !)

The first series had an additional Alfa Romeo Control control unit, the FL/Super had this one built in the instrument panel.
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Post by alfa east » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:22 pm

164 TD said:
The final instrumentpanel that made it into the first series looks more distinguised, in my opinion more than the one later placed in the FL/Super types.
I agree; although my desire to own a 164 became almost unbearable by the time Alfa launched the Super (still one of the most successful 'facelifts' ever executed on a car) and I thought at the time that the 'Super' treatment made the car perfect, I guess that from a design purity point of view the original design was better.
(I recollect the selftest in which the entire horizontal bar came on, with the 2 unnecessary wing lights on both ends of the horizontal bar; brilliant !)
These are the little tidbits of info I just love to read about. Didn't know this; would love to see an upload video of it.

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Post by alfa east » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:37 pm

Would do you mean the 164 was a bit ahead of time designwise: Here is the 1987 dashboard and consol of the 164:

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And now the soon to be launched Chevrolet Volt:
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Now I don't know about you guys, but that doesn't really look like 25 years of evolution and progress......

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Post by 164 TD » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:26 pm

After I dissassembled my 1990 TD after 431.000 kms of duty, certain parts remained in my posession; the instrumentpanel is one of them and has a prominent place now in my livingroom.

I pulled the lightbulbholders out, placed it above a TL light and made the following picture:

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Note the two useless 'wings' on each side of the horizontal bar, the city lights indicator (left of the battery light), and the turbopressure indicator and overboost light.

None of the above made it to the FL/Super series instrumentpanel.
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Post by alfa east » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:39 am

Beautiful! Thanks for the photo.

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Post by Alfan » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:10 pm

I have pictures of the Q4 dashboard lights and also of it in a disassembled state, so if you are interested, I can send them to you.
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Post by 164 TD » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:35 pm

Please do!

The more pictures, the better!!
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Re: Prelude to the 164-designing the instrument panel.

Post by 1989turbo » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:29 am

I have the exact same instrument panel as on your picture, on my car 164 TD :)

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Well my RPM goes higher:P

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