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The evolution of the 164 - The first series

The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby 164 TD » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:19 am

Basically the 164 went through one major facelift in 1993 when the first series model was replaced by the FL(FaceLift)/ Super series.The only difference between the FL and the Super are some parts of the bodywork; bumpers and sidepanels.

Within both of the models certain minor modifications took place.Within this topic we'll discuss the evolution of the first series.

Initially the 164 came out in 1987 with only 2 enginetypes; the 3V6, the TSpark and in 1988 followed by the 4 cylinder Turbo (borrowed from Lancia) and the TD. None of these versions had a catalyst convertor up till 1989.At that time the world urged for a cleaner environment and the 164's sacrified some horsepower to forfill this need.

Up till late 1989, the 164 had the ribbon type toggleswitches for windows and doors, but those switches had such a high failrate that they were replaced by the ones we all know until the very end of production.

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Another modification that was made in 1989 was the replacement of the false firewall; the "undercarpet"type of material was replaced by the tinfoil coating that lasted the rest of the productionprocess.

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The position of the fuellid opening button moved fairly quickly as well; a lot of complaints about unwanted fuellid-opening-by-knee made the 164 engineers move the button to the panel above the aircondition panel.


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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby 164 TD » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:52 pm

The famous G154; the connector that connects the engine electronics to the vehicle electronics was modified as well.The first one, which was hooked up until late 1990 was of the "squeeze and pull" type.The lockingmechanism had the tendency to break and it was easy accessible for water and heat. G154 was later on moved to underneath the plastic cover that's behind the false firewall and protects the aircondition equipment.

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All the first series 164 without A/C had a mechanical drive for the rotation of the ventilationdrum.All vehicles with A/C and all the FL's and Supers with and without A/C had the 2 electrical steppermotors.

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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby ALFAHEIDA » Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:58 pm

Great stuff Arjen.
Keep posting some... 8)
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby Ladin164QV » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:55 am

Great summary :wink:
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby wilco » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:28 pm

Don't forget the distributor, which is replaced on newer TS models..
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby 164 TD » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:33 pm

wilco wrote:Don't forget the distributor, which is replaced on newer TS models..



This is just the evolution that took place in the first series, Differences between first series and FL/Super and the evolution of the FL/Super are another chapter.
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby wilco » Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:07 pm

rgr that :)
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby alfa east » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:05 am

Hmm, fuel cap-opening-by-knee button. What about the first series bootlid opening? Was/Is that by remote control as it is on the Supers? As we probably all know (and tried..) the Super has a safety on it and as soon as you start moving you can press the bootlid opening button as much as you like but to no effect.
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby wilco » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:32 pm

alfa east wrote:Is that by remote control as it is on the Supers

Did i miss something ? can't do more then opening my doors with the remote...
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby alfa east » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:53 am

Well, I meant the button on the console in the middle that unlocks the bootlid. So, it's only remore in the sense that you don't have to get out of the car, walk to the boot and open it with the key.
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby wilco » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:13 am

ow ok lol :D
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby alfa east » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:06 pm

But now the million Dollar question; does the first series shave a remotecontrol/dashboardmounted button to unlock the bootlid?
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby wilco » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:57 pm

wasn't that in the glove compartment ?
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby hilko » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:12 pm

alfa east wrote:But now the million Dollar question; does the first series shave a remotecontrol/dashboardmounted button to unlock the bootlid?


Yep, there has always been such a button on the center (upper) control panel. I'd like to continue for 2 million bucks now...
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby alfa east » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:40 am

Aha, thank you. This was an important thing for me to know. I mean in the greater scheme of things for the promotion of world peace it may not be the most vital piece of information, but on this forum these things matter :!:
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Re: The evolution of the 164 - The first series

Postby sportston » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:42 pm

Great thread this. Useful info that I didn't know about.
I did know about the electric window swtiches. I had terrible trouble with the old ones. So I fitted the later system to mine. I much preffered the look and feel of the older ones though. Shame they were forever failing.
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