Wheels, how big can you go?

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Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Thu May 15, 2014 11:04 am

Hi folks

what are your experiences of changing to larger, namely much wider alloy wheels?

I am considering a staggered set which are 8.5j fronts and 10j rears

Offsets currently unknow, probably about 10 and 20 respectively i expect.

i have an arch roller so i can flare the arch lips a fair bit, but has anyone ever done such radical changes to there 164?


thanks in advance

shrew

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by hilko » Thu May 15, 2014 7:56 pm

Well, if you are looking for this:

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or that:

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I guess your imagination is the limiting factor. Beware of transforming your car into its own caricature...
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Thu May 15, 2014 8:16 pm

I guess you're a fan of standard then Hilko?


trouble is 16" just doesn't work for me on any level, looks, performance, and lastly tyre choice.

Its a dog of a size these days, most even numbers are funnily enough, 10/12/14/16" included.

But if i'm going to change, then it has to be a notable and personal choice thing, which for me means thinking out the box a little, but not quite like your idea's i'm afraid! ha ha!


although the first one is in the right direction, but a bit too far! :lol:



It seems that the uk owners tend to leave 164's alone generally, and this sort of thing is much more prevelant elsewhere in europe,

the euro style it is then eh!

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by hilko » Thu May 15, 2014 8:53 pm

I'm indeed not the right person to talk about tuning and upgrading, but that doesn't mean I dislike any changes to the original design. Many can look good. And after all, it's your car. As long as the bottom isn't scraping the tarmac and your happy, I'm ok. 8) It just keeps another 164 on the road!

A member of the Dutch register recently upgraded his car with this set of impressive wheels:

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Another mounted this set of beautiful wheels:

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by AlfaWhiz » Thu May 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Very nice examples, I have to say. Especially the first one looks very good with the black/polished rims.

I myself would aim for 17" rims, I think more would be too goofy. Spoked design wheels look very good on 164 in my opinion, you can have a look at my thread for an example: http://alfaromeo164register.com/viewtop ... 1406#p8945

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Mon May 19, 2014 12:02 pm

yes the dutch car's wheels are actually one style very high on the shopping list

BBS LM's or replica's of, best in a 18 x8j or slightly wider, 225/40/18 kind of tyre size.


straight spokes are nice and classy, and available in a genuine Alfa wheel too from the later cars, which is nice, but i have done that many times before, so after something more like motorsport style as in the BBS LM's, or more euro, dub styled, and show the Volkswagen lads what style really is!

good suggestions though, keep them coming please?

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Mon May 19, 2014 2:21 pm

I think this is about the limit. 19" rims with 225 tires (don't know the profile, 35 maybe?) with a bit of tire rub on the inner fenders at full lock. Still looks really good imho 8)

Wider tires in the back of a fwd car is not the way to go in my opinion. Messes up the handling also. My 2 cents.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by AlfaWhiz » Mon May 19, 2014 2:53 pm

This one is also lowered, is it not?

The wheels look (very) good, but 19" is a bit much I think. 17" and 40/45 profile was always the safe choice, also for driveabiility. 18" maybe also works, as it's a big car, but above that it starts to be goofy and more show than go.

But this is also subject to individual rims, as some look better bigger, and some look better smaller.

I always liked Zender Sienas, I think one could find a set on a 164 somewhere. Do you guys have one on the NL forum perhaps?

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Mon May 19, 2014 3:44 pm

mike.foxtrot wrote:This one is also lowered, is it not?
Yes I believe so.
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Mon May 19, 2014 7:59 pm

Yeah Ive seen Siena's done more than once, and whilst i like them, its not quite my style.

I like a little more Motorsport image.


My main question is really about the widths though, not diameters.


Just how "wide" and at what offset, with or without spacers, thats kind of thing.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Alfan » Tue May 20, 2014 7:10 pm

Maffia_Alfista wrote:
mike.foxtrot wrote:This one is also lowered, is it not?
Yes I believe so.
I think this black one is lowered slightly, but don't remember. I borrowed it for a couple of months (with my Q4 in rehab) and I was positively surprised about the ride, as it was not as harsh as expected. I would however, never go higher than 17" on a 164 (I only have the original 16" wheels for summer and winter tyres).
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Sat May 24, 2014 8:56 am

No-one any info on widths and offsets then?

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Alfan » Sat May 24, 2014 3:13 pm

The wheels are 19"x8", 225/35. Wider wheels will touch inner fender. The spacers are app. 10mm.

Apparently the car is not lowered, according to the information they have.

Anyway, I would never put 19" on a 164.
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by alfa164superwebmaster » Sat May 24, 2014 6:02 pm

I am the Dutch guy with the black 164 and 2-piece Rials with dark centers.

I have experimented quite a lot with different wheel brands, sizes, etc.
More important than anything when choosing wheels, is the quality and weight.

Cheap replica wheels can look good, but will often result in problems with vibrations and harsh ride quality because they are so heavy.

Before the Rial's I had a set of OZ Ultraleggera's in 8x19" ET 35. In the back I have (still have) 15mm spacers.
This will work without rubbing. The 19" wheels had pretty decent ride quality, much better than the previous (very heavy) Azev A wheels in 8.5x18.

The Rials (18") are quite extreme, especially in the rear where the rim is 9.5" wide, which really is the max you can do without any fender rolling. The main problem is the clearance to the shock-absorbers. Even with my spacers, there is just 2mm clearance. Obviously they would not fit without the spacers.

I have pretty narrow tires (225x40x18) to achieve a bit of a streched look and avoid any rubbing. The fronts are 215x40x18.
Handling is actually very good, much better than a standard 164 and still reasonably comfortable. I run Koni yellow shocks and use powerflex bushings in front and rear.

No issues with the (slightly) wider rear tires.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Annie » Sat May 24, 2014 7:06 pm

Wanna see diffrence in style?
Winter rims in front (7"x17" OZ Superleggera) and summer rims (8"x19" Mille Miglia) in back.
And I double-checked with the old owner and my car has 40mm lowering H&R coilover kit.

The 19" are with bolt pattern 5x100 as opposed to 5x98 Alfa std, so the rims are fitted with floating head bolts..
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by alfa164superwebmaster » Sun May 25, 2014 1:13 pm

Here are some pictures of my car with the 19' OZ ultraleggera's

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note this was before the car was repainted ;-)

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by Maffia_Alfista » Tue May 27, 2014 1:00 am

alfa164superwebmaster wrote:Here are some pictures of my car with the 19' OZ ultraleggera's
DAMN that's sexy ! 8)
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by alfa164superwebmaster » Thu May 29, 2014 5:13 pm

A couple more pics of the Rials.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:49 am

Thats how to do it! :D

Rial, Daytonas i believe yes?

Thats the kind of set up i'm after, do you happen to recall/know the offsets please?


Weight is a concern of mine currently.

I have a set of fully refrubished gloss black 17 x 9j Brock B1 to one side, et20 and et30, wearing 225 45 17 rubber, and the look is fantastic with the very deep rims, but they are a heavy wheel.

Rials, BBS, and many others are notably lighter and i am considering something more like 18's in these lighter weight styles.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:09 pm

hi guys

been a long time in the planning, refurbing and preparing, but finally i can show you which way i decided to go.

BBS lm's in 18" x 8j fronts and 9j rears, now fully refurbished, powder coated gold centres and polished dish and lips, new stainless studs installed.

Wearing 225 40 18 rubber all round, they will need a little spacing which i am machining up any time time now, and then i will need to sort out the cars ride height, also in the planning currently.


i'D ADD PICTURES BUT DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO AT THE MO, "FORUM HAS REACHED ITS QUOTA"

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Post by alfa east » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:33 am

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by alfisti-164 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:51 am

petrolhead wrote: i'D ADD PICTURES BUT DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO AT THE MO, "FORUM HAS REACHED ITS QUOTA"
Try again later, our host has resitrictions in the memory usage. If you upload pictures to your photoalbum at this site it helps if you resize your photo's on your computer before uploading them onto the site.
This will use less capacity of the hosts server so the limit can't be reached.

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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by petrolhead » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:52 am

Ok, so i should finish this thread with a result i guess!

I ended up at these bbs lm style staggered rims which i refurbished into the gold and polished finish.

They are 8j front, 9j rears and 18", wearing 225 40's all round.

The offset was quite high so i had some spacers made up and did a stud conversion too.
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Re: Wheels, how big can you go?

Post by alfa164superwebmaster » Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:18 pm

WoW Looks good, Any more pics?

You really need to lower it now :-)

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