164 V6 24v engine

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164 V6 24v engine

Post by x3mperformance » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:36 pm

Hi.

Have resently been wondering about the Busso engine.
It's a really nice and beefy engineering achievement.
But, it lacks only in one way.
It's not as crispy reving as it could be, lightning fast revings wanted!

What would it take...
Lightening the flywheel.
Lightening the crancshaft
Lightening the con rods
Lightening the pistons


Getting everything balanced perfectly.

But could this end with a rev happy engine like the in new 8C? Or is it too much to hope for?

And i know, it will suffer from a loss in torque!

Suggestions and thoughts are welcome.
Alfa 164 Q4 1994+95 (2x232 Ps)
Alfa 164 Super 3,0 24V '93
Alfa GTV 2,0 '84

Former Italien cars.:
Alfa 156 SW 2,0 TS 16v '00 (155 ps)
Alfa 155 1,6 TS 16v (120 Ps)
Fiat Tipo GT 2000 Turbo 8v (330 ps)
Fiat Tipo 1,4 DGT (68 ps)
Alfa Sud 1,3 Super [1,7QV] (117 Ps)

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by wilco » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:06 pm

if you lighten the flywheel, it will get more nervous.
The lighter you make the other parts, the better to reach higher rpm's. the downside is, you weaken the materials which can cause serious engine blowups.
i think, i would rather go fot a twinturbo or compressor if i wanted a project and spend alot of money ;)

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by x3mperformance » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:43 pm

wilco wrote:if you lighten the flywheel, it will get more nervous.
The lighter you make the other parts, the better to reach higher rpm's. the downside is, you weaken the materials which can cause serious engine blowups.
i think, i would rather go fot a twinturbo or compressor if i wanted a project and spend alot of money ;)
This is also jus a thought, yet...

I have no intention just to grind anything of the standard parts.
I was like thinking, lighter connection rods like arrows titanium, etc...

It's just to see if anybody know the outcome, will it be as rev happy as the 8C?

I have an extra engine laying arround, so it could become a project.
Alfa 164 Q4 1994+95 (2x232 Ps)
Alfa 164 Super 3,0 24V '93
Alfa GTV 2,0 '84

Former Italien cars.:
Alfa 156 SW 2,0 TS 16v '00 (155 ps)
Alfa 155 1,6 TS 16v (120 Ps)
Fiat Tipo GT 2000 Turbo 8v (330 ps)
Fiat Tipo 1,4 DGT (68 ps)
Alfa Sud 1,3 Super [1,7QV] (117 Ps)

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by alfa east » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:15 am

You may know of this book that came out last year:
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LINK for ordering
It deals a.o. with mounting a compressor.

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by x3mperformance » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:43 am

alfa east wrote:You may know of this book that came out last year:
Image
LINK for ordering
It deals a.o. with mounting a compressor.

Ordered.
Thanks, i belive this will give me tha answer. Also to the questions i forgot to ask...
Alfa 164 Q4 1994+95 (2x232 Ps)
Alfa 164 Super 3,0 24V '93
Alfa GTV 2,0 '84

Former Italien cars.:
Alfa 156 SW 2,0 TS 16v '00 (155 ps)
Alfa 155 1,6 TS 16v (120 Ps)
Fiat Tipo GT 2000 Turbo 8v (330 ps)
Fiat Tipo 1,4 DGT (68 ps)
Alfa Sud 1,3 Super [1,7QV] (117 Ps)

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by sportston » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:12 pm

I saw this book for sale a while ago and thought I'd love to have one. Is it any good?
To make you engine rev quicker you could try a different camshaft profile?
I did this along with a different chip on my 12v and it revs up very quickly.

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by perry » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:38 pm

One of the most popular mods is to use the GTA cams this may help not cheap though :o also the GTA inlet chrome runners .
I personally think the smooth torque and power is what the busso is all about.
If you really want revvy you need a Honda type R or similar

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Re: 164 V6 24v engine

Post by squadragrunn » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:03 pm

to make a 24v react more violently on the throttle ,try some throttlebodies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txG0cTx4VeI

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