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Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:25 am

Dear Alfisti!

I'm really glad to be joining your community :)
My name is Michal and I'm from east end of the Czech Republic.
My pursuit for 164 was long (I drove roughly 1500km and visited 3 countries before finding the right one), a bit stressful (as it was mostly disappointin and I was woried I will end up with some new car - as I made "smart" move and sold my 159 in advance before finding the right 164 :roll: Anyway at the end all turned up the good way and I managed to convince one fellow Alfisti from our Czech AR club http://www.alfisti.cz (on which I participate in most time - nick MikeC) to sell me his beauty (he has 2 more Alfas - 90 and old Spider and now looking for another project).
This is my 3rd car - from Fiat Stilo (1.4 SW) i jumped into AR 159 2.4JTDm (first Alfar I have ever driven and I had to have it :D). I was a good car - although I spent quite a lot of money on it and sold it with huge loss - but I just had to have 164 :)
Now to my 164...
Car history:
It was brought to the CZ in 2013 from Italy with roughly 128.000km. I bought the car 3 weeks ago with close to 132.000km. As you can see it did not made much driving in the CZ - nothing in winter and besides that it was parked in a garage. Now I hit 132.500km.
So far only dissapointment is fuel consumption - after first refueling I got 10.1l/100km - which is not great for a daily car but I drive approximately 15k km per year so hopefully it won't ruin me :lol: Moreover I drive the way to enjoy the car :)
Condition:
It's in overal in very good shape - rust free (I plan to keep it that way despite it will be deaily - even during the winter - so I have an appointment for next week to have the bodywork coated with protective layer), with only some minor scratches. As for interior it has beige leather, unfortunately only manual seats, not heated and without the armrest).
Flaws:
- slightly leaking radiator - nothing serious - only few drops at a time, I'm keeping an eye on it and have plan to replace the radior during the spring
- few dead pixels on AC panel - that I won't be solving as it would come back eventually again
- sometimes clutch pedal is returning slowly - I suspect hose leading from clutch master cylinder - I know some guys on our club was looking into this
- leather interior - especialy driver seat - will need deep cleaning and some repair - It's not that bad but it's not a AAA condition :)
Job done:
- previous owner: timing belt, valves clearance adjustment, new rear shock absorbers + mounts, oil (of course :)), replaced front head light - was broken,
- me: so far only oil + oil filter, fuel filter, air filter, collan, new tyres + 15" alloy wheels for winter - I got with car 16" alloy wheels which I will have for summer time. Oil will be replaced every 7.500km = once per 1/2 year,

And now some picture to so you can see my beauty (already on winter set of wheels) :)
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Alfa Romeo 164 2.0 V6TB 1995
Ex: Alfa Romeo 159 2.4 JTDm 2007 berlina
Ex: Fiat Stilo 1.4 MW 2007
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:51 am

It looks like you found a good one! Low mileage and from an Alfa-lover (with main service jobs done for now). Yes, fuel consumption will not get better than that I think (even though I have only experience with V6 3 liter) but you have more or less the same performance as the 3 liter. What is the color code of your car (couldn't quite see it on the photos)?

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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:36 pm

Thanks for kind welcome :)
My car is in Bleu Genoa (477/F) color.
Yesterday my car returned from protective coating of underbody + cavities. Today I finished paiting the air box (as it was in terrible shape - paint was peeling and it was rusting). Also some basic cleaning of engine bay was done as next Saturday I'm goint to attend last Alfa meet here (and first for me with 164 - last year it was my very first Alfa meet with 159).
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:31 pm

Nice to hear; make some photos please and post them here!
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby Alfan » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:12 pm

Welcome and thanks for the photos :)

Great that you waited and found the 164 for you! I hope you will enjoy it and the forum :D
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:45 pm

Yes, I belive so, I also hope I will be able to help others in some way :)
In the meantime I have fixed the issue with clutch pedal - master cylinder was leaking heavily (until it gave up completely). So this is fixed now + hose to it replaced as well (and I got rid off clutch damper).

Also I organized (little) order for our Alfisti club based on club prices that FCA is giving on some parts they have in stock for very long time, all parts are new genuine parts with 2 years of waranty and discounts are often arount 80-90% from original price.
Some examples from my 2.0V6 TB (prices INCLUDING VAT):
rubber intake sleeves betwen intake and chrome pipes (60513179) - approximately 12€ per set of 6
head gaskets (60566395 + 60566396) - appr. 19€ for both (in summary)
camshaft for right (rear) head (60579047; unfotunately the other one is not available any more) - 37€
...

So I made some small stockpiles of stuff which could be usefull in the future :)
Not sure if this info/offer is also here on the club (or any of you is aware, but I guess so). Anyway I think I will be making another order soon (minimal order price is 500€ EXCLUDING VAT) as there are some other people in our club wanting to get some parts (the list contains also FIAT, other AR models, LANCIA, etc.) so in case you are not aware and would like to get more info PM me and I can send you the list of available parts (there are engine/suspension/steering/chassiss/accessories parts available, not everything of course but some are real gems :)). It should be possible to order them in any authorized Alfa/FCA Dealership.

Further photos of the car will follow as soon as weather will allow...
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:56 am

That could be interesting! "FCA" is: Fiat Czech Republic? http://www.fiat.cz/ Or Fiat Chrysler Alfa Romeo?
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:36 pm

By FCA I mean Fiat Chrysler Alfa Romeo :)
Anyway I think separate thread thould be opened for this - maybe somethig only for registered users? (so it's not accessible for any visitor).
And I almost forgot, my car had better Christmas then me - at least present-vise: it got new radio (not so stylish as previous Clarion with MC cassets - but frankly speaking it was quite annoying for daily driving :lol:), new rubber pads for break and cluth pedal and also new vent exhaust on passenger side - previous had vertical adjustment broken and I got new in that part sale for 3€ :)
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:30 am

MikeCZ wrote:Anyway I think separate thread thould be opened for

Yes, please do!
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:02 am

Short update - I just reached 5000km with my Alfa (in approximately 4 months). So far so good :)
New faults:
- jammed passenger front seat - this luckily fixed itself, I was almost worried I will have to cut them to release the lock :roll:
- some small hole on exhaust - I'm scheduled for welding next Monday.
What was fixed:
- replaced radiator - that was quite a brain teaser - finally I found out that in order to remove old/insert new I had to remove the whole intercooler :lol: Anyway this was done eventually, just took longer then expected
- replaced left taillight - old one had small crack and I did not like the look of it :D I had a brand new one "in stock" - bought it from Alfa for 7.5€ :D Just now it's visible that one light is new - it's not faded as the other one.
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Closing by to 140tkm so here's little update:
- oil changed in engine and gearbox
- new spark plugs, new fuel hoses on rail
- some "bugs" fixed - not working passenger side door's interior handle, new lock on the same doors, replaced interior rear mirror, some plastic caps, etc.
- now to more serious things - we have meassured compressions - all cyllinder have cca 10 bars except for cylinder no. 4 which has 8+, but in general engine seemes healthy - old spark plugs were clean, it has power that it should have (considering the age :)).
- the problem is that we took apart valve covers to check how it looks like and found out that two exhaust tappets were completely KO - one on rear and one on front head (cyllinder no. 4...). Now the thing is that I have spare all new tappets (exhaust and intake) and also rear head camshaft, but not for the front head :/ Considering time we had and resource (not enough of spacers for intake tappets) we just put 3 new exhaust tappets on front head and used 3 best from the old one on rear head to at least stop extra wear on the front head. And next plan of action will probably be to get two spare heads, do the complete refurbish of them and then just swap them with the one that are in the car (that way I can still use car for daily driving as a need to).
Attaching below picture of tappets - from top (left): new; "worst" of those which were reasonable and considered for re-use; two that were KO). I have discussed this with my colleague who has a lot of experience and seems that tappets and camshafts on TBs are beaing worn out quicker then on amotspheric engines :/
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Seems you caught the problem on time! Thanks for posting.
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby Alfan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:37 pm

Looks like you are well in control of maintaining your 164 properly :)
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Mon May 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Thanks guys, I'm trying to do my best :)
Last week we had some rainy days here and I found another flaw on my 164 - it started to leak water around roof anthena which one of the previous owners added :roll:
So first step was to make temporrary fix before it will stop to rain :mrgreen:
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I know weld the hole and repaint the whole roof would be a better option, unfortunately I don't have such possibility (both time and finance) right now, so new anthena had to do the job - testing in hand car wash passed succesfully :)
And this allowed me to fix my roof lining, which was already loose - old foam + glues was not good at some places and it was sagging.
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So I cleaned it - both the shell and the fabric (had to wash it 5 times before it was clean :D)
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I have reused the old fabric but it went quite OK - just two places are not perfrect and those are around fixing holes for sunshades.
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Besides that I did some basic cleaning of the engine, repainted the valve covers (at the end I have decided to go original - silver - way), new wire insulation for injectors, etc. Now it looks a bit better then I bought it :) (picture for comparsion - when I bought it and now)
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I know it's still not as spectacular as some cars here but considering it's a dailydriver at least I don't have to be ashamed to open the bonnet :lol:
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby MikeCZ » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:52 pm

I have finally managed to make few photos with something better then a calculator :D
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Re: Alfa 164 2.0V6 TB Super (1995) - MikeCZ

Postby alfa east » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:40 am

Looking great!
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