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Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:55 pm

Hello everybody. Filip, 23 years old from Slovenia :) True Alfaholic and totally addicted to Alfa 164. I currently have 2 164 and 156. And also looking to buy original 164 3.0 12V QV - very hard to find in Slovenia. About family Alfa history. First Alfa was fathers Giulietta 2.0, then he had 4 164 TS and now I'm taking on tradition with Alfas in our family :)

First my baby which will be with me for ever, no matter what. Alfa 164, 2.0 TS, 1993. Currently in project of repairing chassis. Has a lot of rust unfortunately. Already repaired like million things. "New" engine, a lot of electricity repaired, completely new brakes (metal pipes, cylinders, rubber hoses, rebuilded all 4 brake calipers-new sealings, pistons, brake discs, etc...), air condition motors, power steering, new exhaust for V6, etc.. I can't even remember everything that I have done on this car already. I thing that there is not bolt on 164, that i haven't yet discover :mrgreen:

Let pictures tell more about my work. And I'm doing everything by myself on 164. I just read service manuals if I don't know something and that's it.


In the beginning:

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Other engine:

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New power steering

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Few photos for Alfa club Slovenia picture of the month calendar

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End wining photo for POTM december 2011

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:10 pm

Turtle wax polishing

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New exhaust from V6. Original pipes 5cm, now 6cm.

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Original style with red color

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All bulbs changed

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Fine setting of engine and valves

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Original rims from Alfa 164. Were in bad condition, but almost for free so I bought them and repaint

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And last photo from meeting, when she was still assambled

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:20 pm

Everywhere on car rust :? Stupid heavy salted roads in Slovenia :evil:

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Alfa Romeo 164 2.0 TS

Alfa Romeo 164 2.0 TS engine sound
Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:29 pm

First plan is to repair chassis and save her from rust. Primer color and then black body like original.

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Straightening floor with hammer. My ears still hurt :lol:

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And the worst part of the car. Left end under side skirt.

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:35 pm

Things looking little bit better already, but still far to go

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Hardest part to get rid of the rust

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Mixing primer. Unfortunately it was green/olive. I was hoping it'll be gray

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Just IMPA body black over this and finished with this part of car.
Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
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Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:42 pm

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I wasn't satisfied with this part so I cleaned it up again, because there were still tiny parts of rust

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Finally bought pistol for body

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After 1 year engine was still working superb

Alfa 164 first start after 1 year

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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:54 pm

And then i saw this baby on internet for 350€, so of course i went to bought it immediately.

Condition when bought

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On the way home :mrgreen:

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Cleaning and checking condition of everything

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Spy photo :P

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Friend bought about the same time 75 3.0 V6 12V, so we did some photos

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
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Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:19 pm

Taking QV kit from TD

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If anybody interested maybe i could make mold for spoiler and make lighter spoilers for about 100-150€.

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Steering wheel in TS. Most crazy steering wheel ever. Only 988 made.

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All 4 electric shock absorbers in very good condition and set to sport/stiff.

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TD with TS suspension still very stiff, low and looking great!

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Stupid ex owners installed free flow exhaust and let it touched QV bumper.. Here are results.

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TS bumper with lip about same low as QV

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Custom made rear rods with oilon

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TD almost complete FL/92 look

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TS looking awful with original rims, so need to find and least nice 16' rims. Wish is 4 bolt Zender Milano, but we all know how hard they are to get.

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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:43 pm

Changing filters, bad sealing, cleaning, fixing wiring, etc on TD..

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Wiring before :?

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And after

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New intake hose

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And all together again

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This is all until know. Will posting progress with both. And sorry people for soooooo many photos :oops:
Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby alfa east » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:52 am

No need to make excuses for the many photos; much appreciated. Both labours of love! Welcome here!
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby Alfan » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:59 pm

Very detailed walk-through! Great to see the result of all that Alfa enthusiasm :D
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:02 am

Thanks! :)

Here's some progress with 2.5 TD

Interior will be back together again finally. I had a battle with rust on floor because of plugs that fell off and then water came.

Taking rust off with angle grinder and metal brush

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Everything coated with antirust

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Then zinc and black color

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Worst part of floor

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And sealing-glue over edges, plugs, joints, etc..

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Original plug vs new plastic plug :D

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And this also came home :P

Engine support from 3.0 V6

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And shock absorbers 3.0 with apex -40mm springs

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby 164 TD » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:24 pm

Nice pics and story!

Good to see there is another TD on the road!
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby 164EVER » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Many thanks for the photos and for showing this testimony of love.
I do agree, the TS is a fabulous car, one of the bests 4 cylinders engine of all times.
Here in France we have the same problems with the salt psychotics serial dealers who are spraying on there poison on the roads during winter months.
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:50 pm

Thanks to both! :)

TD is all together again. Interior back in. Was trying to start her up, but i got some problem with fuel not going throw bosch pump. I hope that it is some sensor not working properly, but have feeling that could be old fuel filter which went apart, because previous owner didn't change it for nobody knows how long. And the last option is air in pump.

Engine was working ok when i bought her and i made 250km without any problem. Then it just stopped and didn't want to start again.

TS has no problem with that :D Just love that engine. It wasn't started for 1 year and then i just turned key and it was working like it was yesterday. Amazing engine.


BTW. If anybody wants scanned photos of Alfa 164 original book's from 1989, write me your email and i'll send you all photos. Unfortunately photos are not best quality because books are in pretty bad shape. I also photoshop them already, so they look a little bit better. Few photos for preview.


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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby 164 TD » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:18 pm

Since the TD doesn't have a fuelpump in the tank, the diesel has to be sucked to the engine. It will fail when the is some air in the system.

Did you pry the engine fuelpump by using the handpump on the fuelfilter?

On the top of the fuelfilter there is a round button. Open the bleedscrew on top of the filterhousing to get rid of air by pushing the round button several times. Close the bleedscrew. Try to start again.
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:55 pm

In fuel tank, there is only pre-filter right? As far as i manage to see on EPER.

Forgot to mention that after long starting she starts and working for let's say about 1 min or less. Slowly after long starting fuel pump manage to fill hoses to injectors and until fuel runs out from pipes, engine is working.

Yes i tried to use hand pump on fuel filter, but didn't get any results. Probably because i forgot to unscrew bleeding screw :roll:

Will try that again today with unscrewed bleeding screw.

Thanks for tip :)
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:01 pm

It is working again! :mrgreen: Finally! Improvised tank and 2 hoses. That means that original pipeline from tank somewhere have hole or bad sealing and air is coming in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls9P83YCbZE

164TD thanks for tips how to get air out of fuelfilter! :)
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby 164 TD » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:19 am

Excellent !

Another TD salvaged!!
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby Spinakerr » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:40 pm

This is exemplary work!

Are you sure you're not pursuing a career in Alfa restoration?
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:47 pm

Project was on cold for some time now, because I needed to graduate and then I opened company and online web shop for Alfa parts, so again I had work and I still have work, but much less with setting up everything :D

But things are about to go on again :mrgreen:

On Monday I'm going to get this beauty! From 164 TS Super. Not even a 1mm of rust! Totally rust free! Exactly what I need for mine!

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And also both rear panels of car. Both in great condition too :)

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Also ordered compressor and only thing that I now still need is pneumatic pistol. And then..fun fun fun :P :D
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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon May 09, 2016 11:22 pm

What happened from last post :)

164 2.5 TD went to parts, because crazy to much rust. Almost no part of chassis safe anymore :?

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Silent blocks in terrible condition

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And most horrible part

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Right rear arm to chassis

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Left rear arm to chassis

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Brake pipes

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Subframe left

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Subframe right

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Between subframe to chassis and arm to chassis

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Re: Alfa 164 TS "QV" project and Alfa 164 2.5 TD

Postby killergame » Mon May 09, 2016 11:29 pm

And then I found long time looking 3.0 V6 12V this year in february.

Complete engine with everything for 150€ :mrgreen: It should have only 180k km, but I'll rebuild it anyway.

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That was collection that time

Around 460hp. Engines 1x VM 2.5 TD, 2x 2.0 TS, 1x 3.0 V6 12V. Gearboxes 2x 2.0 TS, 1x 2.5 TD, 2x 3.0 V6 12V :mrgreen:

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I also found long looking switches for QV seats. Found them cheap in CZ for 55€ both with shipping.

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Have a lot more photos. Hopefully will be able to upload them soon.

I have almost nothing time, because I opened online shop with car parts specialized for Alfas last year! :D
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Re: Alfa 164 TS to 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby alfa east » Tue May 10, 2016 9:24 am

So you will be concentrating on your 2 liter TS and 12V QV project (until you find a good TD (rolling body) again)?. Good to know that you opened a (164)parts service!
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Re: Alfa 164 TS to 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Tue May 10, 2016 6:56 pm

No. My 164 TS will stay 2.0 TS just until all the parts, body and 3.0 engine are ready to replace 2.0 TS parts.

164 TD was bought more or less just because it was cheap (350€) and had all the QV parts (interrior, electric suspension, outside). I thought that I would use her for daily, but nothing from that.

Maybe someday again, if I found good 164 2.5 TD Super year 97/98 to replace 156 for daily :)


Otherwise main project is to transformate my 164 2.0 TS to 164 3.0 V6 12V QV :mrgreen:
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