Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by ALFAHEIDA » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:01 pm

putize wrote:It is for closing the doors. Windows go up and down (half down of course...) via electric buttons in handbrake console.
Erwin, can anybody source the initial factory sale price back in 1991?
Thank you in advance,
Konstantinos.-
You could sent the company who build the armored stuff in an email if they still excist. Use google.
The photo with all the manuals etc., is there also a version specially for this Blindata??
I think this was an expensive model anyway..... 8)

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by alfa east » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:16 am

ALFAHEIDA wrote:You could sent the company who build the armored stuff in an email if they still excist.
Erwin, you mean this company?
http://www.repetti.it/index.php/en/veic ... mpany.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by alfa east » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:46 am

There is more info on the blindata versions of that era in this discussion:
http://www.cuorealfista.com/forum/pop_p ... PIC_ID=847" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by ALFAHEIDA » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:01 am

alfa east wrote:
ALFAHEIDA wrote:You could sent the company who build the armored stuff in an email if they still excist.
Erwin, you mean this company?
http://www.repetti.it/index.php/en/veic ... mpany.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, the Repetti firm made the Blindata. Maybe they have info/photo's when they constructed it. Maybe even catalogue/prices..... 8)
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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by putize » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:22 am

Hi friends,
Hope for all of you to live a nice weekend.
Here in Athens, we have found a new toy to play with...
Any suggestions for a logically fair offer by me to have the car?
How could possibly someone fix a price for such a peculiar and rare find?
I have bought and sold a significant amount of Classics in my Oldtimer Automotive life so far, but it s the first time I cannot calculate real market figures... :?
Any real help should be vastly appreciated.
My Best Regards,
Konstantinos.-

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by alfa east » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:57 am

There are 2 lines of thoughts: on the one hand it is a rare version of a 164 with a very low mileage. On the other hand, armoured car versions (of any car type/brand) are not really an attribute that make that particular car more valuable. One could argue that it reduces the attractiveness while it makes the car much heavier, higher road taxes, more fuel consumption, lower performance. So I would make an offer based on what a "normal" low mileage 3 liter 164 is worth in similar condition. The fact that it is a blindata is not THAT much of a selling point. Unique? Yes, but not of much use or value (unless you're a wanted man, Konstantinos :wink: ).

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Post by putize » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:52 pm

...Wanted??? I could not have been so lucky in my life..."Wanted" people are celebrities, sought after by papparazi and nice women...I am just a simple ...Alfisti...trying to see what I am going to do with another trouble I put on my stubborn head...(my wife's words of wisdom...) :shock:

Truly, "Alfa East" very helpful again.
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Post by ALFAHEIDA » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:02 pm

@K, can you tel us some more abouth the history of this 164. I also prefer the technical info, what happened over the past years with this beauty.

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by putize » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:32 am

Good morning,
Hope all to have a nice, fruitful week.
Yesterday, I bumped into this "E-Bay" find...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/11K-MILE ... 012wt_1168
Look forward to your comments.
Konstantinos.-

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by alfa east » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:37 am

Yes, the USA has more of these low mileage treasures. Nevertheless, I don't think that your find can compare to this USA model; the market there is much more limited and they do not have the option to buy cheaper European versions of the 164 and ship them to America due to their regulations. So, there is much less choice and therefore higher prices than in Europe. It was always much more of a niche car that appealed to enthousiasts contrary to Europe where it was mainstream and sold in large numbers.

Realistically, I think that the blindata car you found is worth a lot less than 10,000 Euros. I think the armour lowers the value of the car; not increases it. If money is no objection I would be willing to pay top money for a well maintained low mileage 3 liter 164, but for this one you may have to spend quite a bit to do overdue maintenance and even after you have done that, you have a very heavy 164 that does not handle, accelerate, brake like it was designed to do. As long as I am not too high on a maffia "hit list" I would never buy it. But I am not you and I understand enough of being "car struck" that I can understand that you want it. And as Heida says, try to find out as much as you can about the car because it is such a rarity and an object of interest for us 164 -"nuts".

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by putize » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:15 am

Never have been in such a "difficult" position before...
Above all, classic cars are a hobby. Period. You have to make a fruitful decision - and clever of course, despite all your heart-beating and car striking effects...
My father - a vastly experienced "Car Man" here in my country, the sole former Lamborghini dealer here in Greece from 1967 - 1974, often remarks : "You won't have to buy everything that catches your eye...classic cars are like seductive women...you cannot ...flirt with all of them... :P
I will have to reorganize my automotive brains quite a bit!
See how this will go on.
My best regards to all of you.
Konstantinos.-

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Post by alfa east » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:40 am

putize wrote:...classic cars are like seductive women...you cannot ...flirt with all of them...
Your father is a wise man! Must have been an interesting period for your dad to be selling Lambos; he experienced the birth of both the Miura and the Countach; 2 of the most beautiful and iconic cars ever built. Did he store one of each somewhere in a basement, Konstantinos? :wink:

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Post by ALFAHEIDA » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:01 am

alfa east wrote:
putize wrote:...classic cars are like seductive women...you cannot ...flirt with all of them...
Your father is a wise man! Must have been an interesting period for your dad to be selling Lambos; he experienced the birth of both the Miura and the Countach; 2 of the most beautiful and iconic cars ever built. Did he store one of each somewhere in a basement, Konstantinos? :wink:
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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by alfisti-164 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:33 pm

Such a rare car! BEAUTIFUL!

Hope you can get it in your posession, so we can enjoy it with you trough this forum! 8) ;)
Then it will be 1 of 17 who's owner is on this site!

Thanks for the pics!
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Post by alfa east » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:32 pm

Repetti video clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EZLNhoY5us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by fasani » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:37 pm

I just received a mail that Kostas will not be able to be online for some time hid did not mention it in days or weeks but will be back as soon as he can.
Later on we will have a update about the Blindata.

Today I also had contact with the manufacturer of the blindata version (Repetti) more to come if i have some news about it.

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Post by putize » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:03 pm

Hi my friends,
I am back again, after a bad psychologically week, deeply mourning my precious 14 year old dog sudden loss...
I adore animals, I cannot hide my feelings that I prefer them to people ...by far... and the death of my lovely Vizla tore me apart...this was the only reason for my absence from your Forum.
While feeling completely depressed and absent from everyday life, my father - as I have already told you - a very genuine oldtimer enthusiast and collector - finalized the 164 Armored (1991) concept.
Additionally, he has already changed the cambelt with a new one and had a quick "motor" eye on a powerplant that sounds and behaves like new.
The car is in our private garage now, literally nothing else to do on her, apart from our abundant admiring her. Helps my depression too...
Hope to have given you interesting news as promised.
My warm regards,
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Post by wilco » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:52 pm

condolances to you m8, i know what you talk about. my dog is my best buddy aswell :)
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Post by alfa east » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:46 am

Sorry about your dog. Now you have an armoured race horse. What is the red label (number)?

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Post by putize » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:23 am

It is stuck on the gear box case, having an 164 intro characteristic number. Maybe, it is the transmission assembly designation number? I am not sure...anyone who happens to know what this orange label is, please give us the info...
Thank you for your kind words for my precious friend, who is travelling now in pure freedom...
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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by sportston » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:08 pm

Looks lovely! I'd snap it up I had the money.
I would be curious to know how much heavier the car is. I expect they had to change the door hinges.
I found out last year that my 3.0 v6 164 is lighter than a ford mondeo 1.8!
Maybe that is an advantage to converting them to armoured cars.
I'm not sure if like all the little wood trimmings or not.

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Post by fasani » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:27 pm

It's hard to get the Blindata with plates, due to the papers that are missing only possible with a oldtimer plate registration but than Bella has to be 30 years old and Kostas has to storage the 164 for 9 years.

I wish i had the money for it and i would bring her to Holland.
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Post by alfa east » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:15 am

Konstantinos, originally sold by your Dad when new?
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Post by sportston » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:28 am

I saw that lovely lambo for sale at auction. Wish I could afford that. Has to be in my top two cars to own if I won the lottery.
Defintely has to be the sexiest car ever made

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Re: Armored Version 164 ,3.0L, V6 (1991) average pricing

Post by putize » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Dear friends,
No time, no see. My fault definitely.

Have had a very interesting phone conversation with "Fasani" lately about my Blindata". A really nice person, although I know him for so little time, I feel very close to him. I would surpass several potential buyers for my 164, in order for him to find money and have a smooth and gentle deal together. I am sure that he has explained to all of you, that my 18,000 kms Blindata cannot be registered here in my country for another 9 years...she has to rest herself in my private garage, new and unmolested among my other classic Alfas!

A significant number of potential new owners for her have visited me, but I had great difficulty to find one of my kind and taste!!! You see, I am not a car salesman, I am a classic car enthusiast and fortunately or not I judge people from their heart and not from their pocket...Alfisti who have visited my Blindata so far, did not have the "heart" for her...they only wanted to take her with stupid bargaining, although they know that it is unique just the way it is...

As far as "The Miura S Sales by Coy's concept" my friend "AlfaEast" has arisen, it is a very strange situation, since there is a lot of "hidden" history behind this car. My father told me that he had never sold this VIN numbered Miura S to anyone that had been in contact with him those days...Maybe this car has been imported into Greece from another person...he does not remember this particular "Maroon - Brown" color either...and the Vin plate is re-rivetted with different screws...ooohhhh, so many details, so difficult cars to cope with...Miura "S" is a real beauty of course, but very very difficult car...in every aspect!!!

From my father's personal collection I have the "Instruzioni Tecniche" Manual for Miura P400 S in totally new, unmolested, never used and fully authentic condition. Language is Italian of course exhibiting Hand-written format from Ferruccio's Engineers and Year is 1969.It has brass-pinned binding, with original pseudo-leather-ish cover from Factory.
Due to its firm pinned - binding, it is very difficult to "free" the pages and produce any photocopies. That is why it is a unique Factory Literature Production, that was only given to Authorized Lamborghini Workshops of the era. Not to clients, not to dealers and of course not to "no-name" mechanics. A real literature masterpiece!!! Unfortunately, we have given our last Miura in 1978, but we still have splendid and original literature of Ferruccio's robust era...
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Hope all you have enjoyed my visit. Do not forget me and my nice country, which is trying hard to meet all its difficulties.
And most of all : do not forget my "Blindata", a really unique piece of Alfa Manufacturing.
Yours,
Konstantinos.-

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