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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby alfa east » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:52 am

Wow, I'm so impressed by your work!
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby Alfan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:27 pm

This is still awesome 8)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265.000km
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55.000km
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 80.000km
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:36 pm

Thanks to both!

I will try to keep you updated little more from now on :)

Valve guides taken out. One broke and I was already scared how I will take it out. But I made it.

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Got new MOOG set boot set for steering

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Valves burned from oil. I needed to take off around 1mm probably.

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Put valves in drill machine and grinding, cleaning and polishing

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And final result! :mrgreen:

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
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Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:48 pm

Heads ready for machine shop for resurface, new bronza guides and new seats on valves and heads.

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And finished ports intake and exhaust.

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This was OE. Very bad flow. So o grinded all off and repaired ports.

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:46 pm

So much for my regular update :lol: :roll:


Exhaust flanges for heads and downpipe made by CNC

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Perfect fit!

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Engine bay almost empty.

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Great stuff from previous owner/owners :lol:

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And another one taken out

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More shit from before

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Just some wire to hold in place haha

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Mat outside. Great condition everything below.

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Mat ready for cleaning.

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Future cocpit :D

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Heads back

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3 angles for better air flow

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Well. Italian :lol:

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Ultrasound cleaned

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Second valve cover cleaned

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Also need to buy valve seals and camshaft seals from original CORTECO, because Reinz was shit! Valve seats could be taken off with hand and camshaft seals put in and out of head with hand also. Left reinz, right corteco.

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Reinz/corteco

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Corteco 10.5 mm, Reinz 10.9 mm.
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Also great design! :lol:

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Another view of holes

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Grinded valve seats with paste for even better seal

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Also order digital and analog gauge for engine oil temperature. Probably will take apart ditgial one, change color to green and install only display somewhere. I like analog, but I don't want in somewhere on dashboard.

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Also ordered sandwich plate for sensor.

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Ordered new 6 intake tappets for 50€. Old one had some marks, so let them be new :)

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Finished my device for checking valve springs. For 30 years old almost in great condition. Very little from tolerance few.

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Other 6 valves grinded.

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Found some damage on one intake valve stem. Luckily found new ones, old stock from my supplier for 4.8€ pieced. Just bought all 6 they had haha.

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24V exhaust manifold getting ready for modification. Device for measures being in work with 12V headers.

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:25 pm

One head complete!

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Valve cover will be painted red 8)

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New valves

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Sandwich plate

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12V vs 24V :D

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Well I have found very little seal in distributor unit. Measures 17-28-5. Almost impossible to get anything.

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Also first part of new parts. CV boots outer, inner ordered. Gearbox seals, sets of seals for cylinders rebuild (brake, clutch), brake calipers, handbrake cable, sensors, brake pipes, steering rod end and inner rods, etc.

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Almost like new :D

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And almost dry

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Found new upper engine mount bush from some ATV motorcycle haha. Original is 41x27x10 mm and this new one is 41x28x10 mm. Only 1 mm bigger hole needs to be made in mount.

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Finally took off V6 complete original exhaust I had fitted on my TS. Well after some measuring I found out that it is totally inappropriate for mine engine and bigger headers. Original is first 42mm, then 55 mm and 60 mm at rear.
Since new headers are much bigger and downpipe is 55 mm I will have 55 mm to flex pipes and 2x 55 in middle free flow muffler with one 63.5 mm exit. And then this size will got to rear muffler also free flow and double exit.

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New inox free flow muffler is almost identical dimensions as CAT.

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I also had problem what to do with water radiator. Original is solid, but I went in search for new and for normal price!

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More and more parts :mrgreen:

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And toothed pulley cleaned

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Here it is! :mrgreen:

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Plate and sensor installed

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New bush, perfect fit!

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New radiator :P Got it for only 130€ Nissens

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Found cheap NRF heater. Bought it of course.

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Oil pump gear installed

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And one head on engine

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Decided to paint 164 in red. I was also looking for some good rims to fit for my taste. And found them. Made photoshop with this rims and it is great for me :mrgreen:

8Jx17, ET 35. Tyres will be 225/45/17.

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:45 pm

Rims are home! 2 very good condition and 2 will need a little repair, because smaller 215/45/17 tyres were up. They will be repainted in some silver/gray and polished edge.

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Rear will need some 10 mm distance plates because hits shock absorber

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For me, I thing it will be awesome.

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Front will maybe also need some distance plates

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Original vs new haha

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Bought 3.0 compressor for 20€ for friend :mrgreen:

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Found another great deal in DE. QV shock abrosbers with lowering springs for 60€ :shock: Bought it and organized transport via family. 21.9. I will see that I have bought. As much as I can see they are rust free.

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Another friend gave me K&N sport air filter for 164 :D

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And found complete QV interior door panels/handles in Australia. Pretty good condition. Will need few things done, because RHD. Guy have them for free! I only paid shipping costs. Can't thank him enough for his generosity :D

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Lego :mrgreen:

Generator. New bearings, condenser and voltage regulator.

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Power steering. Only cleaning, maybe also new seals. Not sure yet.

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And engine fan motor. Bearing needs to be replaced. It will be fun.

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Flex pipes 55x200 mm

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Perfect fit :)

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Finally started to assemble other head also

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There was no thread anymore. So bigger hole was made and new thread.

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One valve need to be taken 2g off. New one is to heavy.

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O happy day! :mrgreen: :-({|= Little care needed, but great!

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Finally

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Lower right valve is new. 3g were need to be taken off.

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All exhaust clearances are set. Only intake needs to be done. But I need to take out valves and grind off around 0.5 mm from all 6 intake valves at top of stem :|

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And got new accelerator cable original Alfa 3.0 for only 45€ with shipping from Italy! :D

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And up to date! Today 24V headers were given in modification. In 1-2 weeks I will see result :mrgreen:

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Also bought oil cap :D

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
Alfa 164 2.5 TD 1993 - ex
Alfa 164 2.0 TS 1991&1989 - ex
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 1974 - ex
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby alfa east » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:20 am

Wow, you have sourced quite a bit, Those interior leather QV parts are not easy to find! Good luck with assembly!
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:46 pm

Thank you. Still got to prepare chassis before assembly.

Well one is finished :mrgreen: Got it for test so all measures are ok, which they are! Second one in works now.

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
Alfa 156 1.9 JTD 2000
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby AlfaWhiz » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:34 am

It sure looks clean! :) Nice work, and thanks for the detailed photo documentation! Good to see such a dedicated rebuild. :)

What did you use to clean the engine block and other aluminum parts? Was it media blasted? It looks brand new, must be very satisfying. :)
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby MikeCZ » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:39 pm

This should be viewable only after 22pm :D Great job :)
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby killergame » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Hehe thanks :mrgreen:

AlfaWhiz I have put a loooot hours in engine block and heads cleaning. I used ARF cleaner with active micrograins and vileda inox spirale for dishes.


So while I am waiting for valve shims to get and finish engine, I went to work on chassis.

Stripped front part. Engine bridge/mount will be taken off and sent to sandblasting. To big to send blast home.

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If shock absorber top mount wouldn't rust, here would be no rust at all.

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Got shipping from Germany. JACKPOT FOUND! I have got this set from photo all for 60€!! :mrgreen: Top condition, almost no rust QV shock absorbers with rear hubs and old ABS rings with bearings.

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And also. I thought some chines blue shit springs. Well at last one I btw checked sign. And then you found out you just got set of -30mm ZENDER springs!!! :o :o

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Alfa 164 3.0 QV 1993
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby alfa east » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:15 pm

Congratulations on your buy! A great find!
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby AlfaWhiz » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:27 pm

No way! :mrgreen: What a great find! And the price is a joke... :mrgreen: Very lucky you, congrats!

I was not aware about the Zender springs at all... looks very promising, can't wait for the final result. Good to see the work progressing nicely, you're giving a bit of motivation to all of (more lazy) us. :D
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Re: Alfa 164 3.0 V6 12V QV project

Postby Alfan » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:55 pm

Great find!

And thanks for sharing all the photos, this is valuable info for Busso V6 enthusiasts :)
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso 550.000km
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy 265.000km
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning 55.000km
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione 80.000km
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