Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

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Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:14 pm

In summer of 2013 I bought this Super 24V in the Stuttgart region. I was looking for a car like this for a long time:
blue outside, inside tan leather, with sunroof and low milage.

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The previous owner is an Italian who works for Daimler. He used the car only to go to South Italy in summer. I visited at a Subura garage where the owner was able to do service works at this car. Thus the milage of 100k km is evident from other documents but not the service book.

I picked the car on my way back from Zürich to Hamburg. After that I parked the car at my parents home before it was brought to the garage for rebuilding it in last autumn.

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:22 pm

Here I present you some pictures of how the car looked from underneath before works started:

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:24 pm

Chris (who manages the German 164 forum) has thankfully delivered a re-worked petrol line:

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Now the rebuilt engine looks pretty nice:

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by alfa east » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:50 pm

Gorgeous! Do you still have your Automatic 24V?

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by 164EVER » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:43 pm

Pretty nice car, fabulous engine, great job on it, enjoy drive and safe road to you.
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:41 pm

alfa east wrote:Gorgeous! Do you still have your Automatic 24V?
Well, I have stored it in a barn. Last autumn it it turned out that the engine has too low compression. So I decided not to do any investments. On the hand I am not willing to throw a 164 away.
1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by ALFAHEIDA » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:35 am

Great work Nils!
Good to see you still have passion for the 164.

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:56 pm

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Last summer I went to the garage because the rear axle did feel inflexible. A rusty rear axle and some rusty spots were found:

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:02 pm

Thus it was time for a complete overhaul of the suspension and moreover for rust removal.

I got a list from garagist which parts were needed and collected most of them in the meantime. Just had to learn that front shock absorbers are not available anymore. Thus I ordered 2 in bad conditions for the meantime while the original ones will be refurbished (at Nagengast, it was a tip here in the forum).

The bumpers and skirts were removed to wash the car underneath. Afterwards some minor rust spots were evident.
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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:19 pm

Unfortunately my 164 Automatic doesnot work properly either: it needs a new air cooler / radiator for the gearbox which has to be custom made :roll:

Thus I don't have any granturismo on hand, just right now when German Autobahn is nearly empty :shock: - Just could repeatedly go from Hamburg-Zurich in 7 - 8 hours from door to door including fill ups with the 156 V6 (with winter tires on limited to 190 km/h). 2 hours less than before. Last time that I could manage the way in this time was round about 2013/14 with the 164 (with higher top speed).
1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by Alfan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:29 pm

The 164 does not look too bad, what is the mileage on it?

Good choice sending the shocks to Nagengast, I can only recommend them 👍

At least you still have an Alfa Romeo V6 to drive 😎
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione
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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:04 pm

The milage is low, just 120k km.

Today my garagist called me and told me he just did a similar job at my Automatic. It had rust spots and the end of the rear wheel arches. But the sill shall be in excellent condition. Now the car be waxed underneath.
1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by Engine » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:49 am

Very nice work on your 164s. All those rust points are comnmon. Evry 164 has or will have rust there at some point. The target is to get to it before it is really bad.
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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm

Both of my Alfa 164 together with a donor car in Blu Genoa in a row (and in between my Spider)

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by obenhaus » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:07 pm

The Automatic now is done and ready to drive it into the garage - just waiting for the needed gearbox oil cooler :cry:

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1993 Alfa Spider 2.0 IE nero 817
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V blu genoa 477
1993 Alfa 164 Super V6 24V CAE blu genoa 477
2000 Alfa 916 S1 grigio Eclisse 677
2001 Alfa 156 V6 24V blu vela

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by 164EVER » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:22 pm

You see the end it will be a very nice car and enjoy it .
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by Alfan » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:39 pm

Hopefully you will be enjoying them both very soon 😊
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo Rosso
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Multiair TCT Bianco Pastello
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Competizione
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco

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Re: Rebuilding a 1993 Super 24V

Post by 164EVER » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:23 pm

And you registery plate is ad hoc (lol)
164 3.0 V6 1988 330000KM
164 2.0 TS 1989 243000KM
164 SUPER 2.5 TD 1993 308000KM
156 1.8 TS 2001 165000KM.
EX : 33 SW 1.5, 1.3 ie, 1.5 ie, 33 1.7 QV 16V, GIULIETTA 116 1.6, ALFA 6 2.5 (X3), 146 boxer 1.6 , 164 SUPER 2.0 TS.

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