I still have this new type of GI/R. works fine when it's cold (winter time) but on "hot" summerdays i get too little hydraulic pressure and 4wd light is always on when idling. Also i get a leak from recond steering rack at summer. So best guess is that oil is too thin when hot?!?Alfan wrote:I forgot to ask which oil you are using now?Tamariini wrote:In my Q4 it doesn't...Alfan wrote:I am wondering though if Tutela GI/R (green) in the latest version from Alfa works as I had intended...
Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I looked further into this and it turns out that the level indeed was too low (hadn't seen the 'Max' mark was so high in the reservoir). Now I don't have any unwanted sounds from the servo. It says ISO VG 22 on the Tutela GI/R bootle and from what I can see that should work well for a broad temperature range, so I will stick to this oil for now and monitor what happens over time.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
so, the light is off now ?
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Nowilco wrote:so, the light is off now ?

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I have updated the list of issues. Some have been fixed and new ones appeared. Main things to look at are 4WD and idle speed regulator and they might not be that simple to fix, but at least I have a pretty good idea of what is causing these problems.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
You can give yourself more credit than in your update; you forget to mention in "fixed" that you have finished replacing your gearbox!Alfan wrote:I have updated the list of issues. Some have been fixed and new ones appeared.
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I mention that it was replaced under the steering rack part. As such it wasn't a problem, as I am sure the gearbox could have lasted many more miles, so it didn't get a separate mention.alfa east wrote:You can give yourself more credit than in your update; you forget to mention in "fixed" that you have finished replacing your gearbox!
But it is good to know that you are aware of the details in my project

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Yes, I find it refreshing to read how you use your 164 so intensely, put on a lot of miles and enjoy taking care of it. It's an inspiration and promises me that I still have many miles/years left in mine!
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
alfa east wrote:Yes, I find it refreshing to read how you use your 164 so intensely, put on a lot of miles and enjoy taking care of it. It's an inspiration and promises me that I still have many miles/years left in mine!

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed. I replaced the center console and Q31 (aircon regulator unit), and the blower motor is ok, so I need to look at the cables at some point.
I also installed an auto-dimming rear-view mirror, that is a very nice feature this time of year
And I took a drive in the Lancia today, that was a joy
I also installed an auto-dimming rear-view mirror, that is a very nice feature this time of year

And I took a drive in the Lancia today, that was a joy

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
The Q4 has been running well recently, still some issues to fix, but it went through the yearly inspection last week with no remarks
I got the support on the underside of the carpet in the boot replaced, as the original paper like stuff was falling apart.
I hope to replace the oil cooler, as it is leaking a little.
It is now showing 490.000km, so it has actually passed 500.000km, since I drove it for 6 months without it showing speed or counting mileage.
Time to get summer tires on soon

I got the support on the underside of the carpet in the boot replaced, as the original paper like stuff was falling apart.
I hope to replace the oil cooler, as it is leaking a little.
It is now showing 490.000km, so it has actually passed 500.000km, since I drove it for 6 months without it showing speed or counting mileage.
Time to get summer tires on soon

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
What an achievement! Even though it has passed the landmark already, please make sure to make a photo of the 500,000 km on the odometer!
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
It will be posted world widealfa east wrote:What an achievement! Even though it has passed the landmark already, please make sure to make a photo of the 500,000 km on the odometer!

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Fantastic - next target 1 million Km's


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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I have updated the status on the issues in the first post. I have also attached photos of the ABS pump motor when disassembled from the hydraulic unit. I also uploaded a short video, but I cannot see that it is there, so have a look in dropbox, if you are interested.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hr7le61awwwm1os/s0zjA3gjQ5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hr7le61awwwm1os/s0zjA3gjQ5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I replaced the center console with another used on and the hazard lights are not turning on intermittently anymore.
I also had the condensor replaced today, so that I can stay cool in the close to 30 deg celcius we are having here at the moment
I also had the condensor replaced today, so that I can stay cool in the close to 30 deg celcius we are having here at the moment

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Hello,Alfan wrote:I replaced the center console with another used on and the hazard lights are not turning on intermittently anymore.
I also had the condensor replaced today, so that I can stay cool in the close to 30 deg celcius we are having here at the moment
Problem with the hazard lights coming on by themselves sits mostly in the flatcable between the two halves of the display / airco unit. When you open it, there is an 4-pin flatcable (right above the buttons for fueltank and trunk) which probably has loose solder joints on the switchboard side; reflow them and you're good to go!
If this is not the case, another relais can solve this or just bend the relaispins a little for better contact in the socket.
AR GT 3.2l V6 24v Sport Coupé 'Distinctive', maart 2005, nero (current Bella)
AR 164 3.0l V6 24v Q4, jan 1996, proteo rosso (current Bella)
AR 164 TDi Super, VM032B, july 1996, silver (sold)
AR 164 TDi Super, VM032B, nov 1995, dark blue (scrapped)
AR 164 3.0l V6 24v Q4, jan 1996, proteo rosso (current Bella)
AR 164 TDi Super, VM032B, july 1996, silver (sold)
AR 164 TDi Super, VM032B, nov 1995, dark blue (scrapped)
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I fixed the relay for the hazard lights some years ago, and that has been fine ever since. I am sure it's in the aircon unit, as replacing that fixed the problem 

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
My Q4 has finally passed 500.000km - the proof can be found here
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0apyga6gb6cz ... pAO8gVuSma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0apyga6gb6cz ... pAO8gVuSma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Fantastic! What a milestone. And that in a complicated automobile like the Q4! It's not my car, but I feel proud.
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Thanks - I have done ½ of the total mileage of the car in 11 years, and it has - and still is - an awesome car to drive 

1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
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Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Wow have you bought an 4C as well !?!
You have some nice cars Sir ! *hat tip*
Group photo please
You have some nice cars Sir ! *hat tip*
Group photo please

Daniel Jansson
164 Q4 -95
GTV6 -83
75TS - 90
164 Q4 -95
GTV6 -83
75TS - 90
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Was this problem solved as well when you replaced the center console?Alfan wrote:I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed.
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
I installed a fully working part (Q31) with some heat sink and now it works. I have to update the text in my first post.alfa east wrote:Was this problem solved as well when you replaced the center console?Alfan wrote:I managed to get the HVAC running again, but not up to full speed. Above 4 bars it does not increase speed.
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
Re: Long time road going 164 Q4 1994 project
Yes, sometimes you have to spoil yourselfMaffia_Alfista wrote:Wow have you bought an 4C as well !?!
You have some nice cars Sir ! *hat tip*
Group photo please

I will keep the other cars, so at some point (4C delivery is not until next year, though I signed the contract last year...), a group photo should be possible!
1994 Alfa Romeo 164 Q4 Proteo R
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio
1989 Lancia Thema 8.32 Verde Indy
2001 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 24V Blue Lightning
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Rosso Comp
2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Anodized Blu
1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta Blindata Bianco
2003 Alfa Romeo 166 3.2 Grigio